[Fis] Emergence of Human Sexual Behaviour--Siegmund Freud

[Jason Hu]

Hi Rainer,
"A nice memory of when we were newborn babies feeding from the breasts" is
not sexuality, IMHO. I mentioned the word "food" only.
Therefore, your linking my words to Freud does not hold. 😉

In oriental culture, we have "an hierarchy of needs" different from
Maslow's. "Food" is the first layer. "Sex" is the second. Here is my
version:
1-Drink-Food(survival);
2-Male-Female(sex);
3-Sound-Color(art);
4-Dog-Horse(hunting);
5-Wave-watching(history-society);
6-Tide-playing(participation in politics & businesses);
7-Speaking of Tao(authoring);
8-Reaching Understanding(Communicatics)
My initial message to you was on level 1, not level 2. Now I'm trying on
level 8 with you.

Best - Jason

On Wed, Feb 18, 2026 at 3:43 AM Rainer Feistel (IOW) <rainer.feistel at iow.de>
wrote:

> Hi Jason,
>
> I believe your argument had already been presented in detail by Siegmund
> Freud,
> e.g. in Freud, S. (1920): Drei Abhandlungen zur Sexualtheorie. F.
> Deuticke, Leipzig,
> https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.psychanalyse.lu__;!!D9dNQwwGXtA!UCAQlCfAZoGVVS75T5WDifTG-1Olms3YdrQ425oAFJHDt6c0CYgpA4dmJY3Pt2B3UXtMcM-7_e_71911bqUBBC-O8B_Z$  (there should likely be an English edition, too).
> Freud argues that breastfeeding is a sexual experience for sucklings,
> accompanied by sexual arousal.
>
> I do not at all share Freud's hypothesis.
> If so, why don't have all mammals sexy breasts, cats and dogs, pics and
> cows, and especially chimps?
> In fact, they all reduce their mammary glands after weaning, just in
> contrast to humans. Why?
> Do boys/men find their mother's breasts sexually attractive and do they
> always attempt to squeeze and suck those?
> Do mothers typically present their breasts to their sons with sexual
> intentions?
> Could this regularly be observed or often personally be experienced, in
> retrospect?
>
> On Nov 5, 1953, in a phone call with his friend Johanna Fantova in
> Priceton, Albert Einstein concluded that
> "Freud was a bright man, but a lot of his theory I consider as rubbish"
> I share Einstein's opinion regarding Freud's Oedipus complex.
>
> Perhaps it is American prudery that prohibits breastfeeding in the public
> as a sexual offence.
> In my view, breastfeeding is natural childcare rather than sexual
> exhibitionism.
>
> Stastically, the milk production of women is uncorrelated with the size of
> their adipose breasts.
>
> As far as I may imagine, most women do not want to miss their breasts as
> female symbols.
> Losing them for medical reasons is usually a hard decision if there is no
> other way. Some even
> prefer to risk their life rather than living without breasts. But this is
> just my personal impression.
>
> Rainer
> Am 18.02.2026 um 02:14 schrieb Jason Hu:
>
> Hi Rainer,
>
> I just browsed the recent FIS discussions triggered by your interesting
> ideas.  I'm puzzled about why nobody so far has suggested a different but
> simpler hypothesis about man's love of female breasts:
>
> Could it be just a nice memory of when we were newborn babies feeding from
> the breasts? Would that nice, warm, satisfying feeling be memorized in
> the pool of our instinct after growing up? The preference for the bigger
> breasts also becomes explainable - it simply means more milk food. 😍
> For adult males searching for a good mate, larger breasts are informational
> symbols of "my baby can be well fed," therefore, a desirable plus in
> addition to everything else.
>
> This hypothesis, however, needs to be checked from the women's
> perspective. I don't know if women like breasts as much as men do. But
> there might be two more differentiating variables: Women might have "extra
> inconvenience" of having to carry such fat mass (e.g., when having to run
> fast), and men might have some "envy of not having those nice body parts."
>
> Just my two cents of food for thought.
>
> Regards - Jason
> ------------------------------------
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> On Tue, Feb 17, 2026 at 6:49 AM Rainer Feistel (IOW) <
> rainer.feistel at iow.de> wrote:
>
>> Caro Francesco,
>>
>> My Italian is only rudimentary. Is this what you ask for?
>>
>> Dear Pedro & the experts of art:
>>
>> You wrote that "a great movie ... made me laugh".
>>
>> Can we agree that films are a specific form of art?
>> Films represent something else (namely, e.g., certain humans in certain
>> situations)
>> than they physically are themselves (namely, strings of photos or of
>> computer bits).
>> Given that, can we agree that films are symbols, even if complex ones?
>> May we also agree that even art in general consists of specific kinds of
>> symbols?
>>
>> Art is produced by humans with the intention to be received by (mostly)
>> other humans.
>> Can we agree that art is symbolic communication between humans?
>> And that the artist's intended effect of art at the receiver is inducing
>> emotions?
>> In the body, emotions are carried by symbols, either certain chemicals,
>> nerve pulses
>> or cellular excitation states.
>>
>> So, is art a specific kind of symbolic information transfer between
>> humans?
>>
>> By the way, also sex symbols such as bosoms have the purpose of inducing
>> emotions.
>>
>> Rainer
>> Am 17.02.2026 um 13:32 schrieb Francesco Rizzo:
>>
>> Caro Rainer.
>>
>> non riesco a leggere il tuo ultimo messaggio. Puoi
>>
>> inviarlo di  nuovo?
>>
>> Grazie.
>>
>> Francesco
>>
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>> Caro Rainer,
>>
>> non riesco a leggere il tuo ultimo messaggio. Puoi inviarlo di nuovo?ù
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>> Il giorno lun 16 feb 2026 alle ore 21:34 Pedro C. Marijuán <
>> pedroc.marijuan at gmail.com> ha scritto:
>>
>>> Dear Rainer & FIS Colleagues,
>>>
>>> First, I would like to join our Chinese Colleagues in the Celebration of
>>> their New Year. The year of the Horse: *新年快乐 (Xīnnián kuàilè)*
>>>
>>> And then I would like to ad some fun to the provocative hypothesis of
>>> Rainer on the evolution of female breast. It comes from a great movie:
>>>
>>> "... this scene from It's a Mad Mad Mad Mad World
>>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://alligator-tunny-3mj4.squarespace.com/config/It's*20a*20Mad*20Mad*20Mad*20Mad*20World__;JSUlJSUl!!D9dNQwwGXtA!WFVu5YtDhZzbe0e_7mOB2Pt7JnW7MHh2IhYnE6n_cPg0KuCsp1MfjahpRzbtgplyPcZUTLkte8H-PEOkRlkp8unyo9Od$> featuring
>>> Milton Berle (J. Russell Finch) and Terry-Thomas (J. Algernon Hawthorne) -
>>> it made me laugh and I ended up watching the rest of the film.
>>>
>>> *J. Algernon Hawthorne*: I must say that if I had the grievous
>>> misfortune to be a citizen of this benighted country, I should be the most
>>> hesitant of offering any criticism whatever of any other.
>>>
>>> *J. Russell Finch*: Wait a minute, are you knocking this country? Are
>>> you saying something against America?
>>>
>>> *J. Algernon Hawthorne*: Against it? I should be positively astounded
>>> to hear anything that could be said FOR it. Why the whole bloody place is
>>> the most unspeakable matriarchy in the whole history of civilization! Look
>>> at yourself! The way your wife and her strumpet of a mother push you
>>> through the hoop!
>>>
>>> As far as I can see, American men have been totally emasculated- they're
>>> like slaves! They die like flies from coronary thrombosis while their women
>>> sit under hairdryers eating chocolates & arranging for every 2nd Tuesday to
>>> be some sort of Mother's Day!
>>>
>>> And this positively infantile preoccupation with bosoms. In all time in
>>> this wretched Godforsaken country, the one thing that has appalled me most
>>> of all this this preposterous preoccupation with bosoms.
>>>
>>> Don't you realize they have become the dominant theme in American
>>> culture: in literature, advertising and all fields of entertainment and
>>> everything. I'll wager you anything you like that if American women stopped
>>> wearing brassieres, your whole national economy would collapse overnight."
>>>
>>> The two characters are in a car, maintaining this bizarre dialogue while
>>> driving in the quest for a lost booty. Curiously in a previous scene there
>>> is another amazing dialogue about all the possible partitions of that booty
>>> among the different groups involved in the quest. Watch it!
>>>
>>> Best wishes,
>>>
>>> --Pedro
>>>
>>> El 16/02/2026 a las 11:21, Rainer Feistel (IOW) escribió:
>>>
>>> Dear Krassimir,
>>>
>>> Yes, thanks, I fully agree.
>>>
>>> It is evident that e.g. viruses inject their own genetic information into
>>> the host cell which then starts producing more viruses ...
>>>
>>> Genetic information, I think, is the first form of symbolic information,
>>> so
>>> that the origin of life is also the origin of symbols.
>>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://doi.org/10.3390/sym16121611__;!!D9dNQwwGXtA!UCAQlCfAZoGVVS75T5WDifTG-1Olms3YdrQ425oAFJHDt6c0CYgpA4dmJY3Pt2B3UXtMcM-7_e_71911bqUBBPEet479$ 
>>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://doi.org/10.3390/sym16121611__;!!D9dNQwwGXtA!X718m_IsUTUPwzkksIp2P-qufhu6Y2ekUobXTt2dAG9yd4DvwJ2-H1uS-e8vs3XjNuUi6RlGTDVqIYC7t-01kz2dqqU$>
>>>
>>> Rainer
>>> Am 15.02.2026 um 23:19 schrieb Krassimir Markov:
>>>
>>> Dear Rainer,
>>> Your ideas that you have been working on lately are interesting and
>>> could find wider support among specialists.
>>> For me, as a specialist in the field of information studies, this is
>>> another good example of information interaction.
>>> It should be specially noted that verbal information interaction is a
>>> small part of all possible ones and is only between people.
>>> However, in nature, forms of information interaction are diverse and
>>> occur at all levels of living matter - starting from the lowest, perhaps
>>> cells (I have no examples of a lower level!) and continuing to the social
>>> level between people.
>>> With respect,
>>> Krassimir
>>>
>>>
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> Physicist (emeritus)
> PS Gustav Hertz Prize, Berlin 1981
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