[Fis] Emergence of Human Sexual Behaviour--Siegmund Freud
Rainer Feistel (IOW)
rainer.feistel at iow.de
Wed Feb 18 11:42:53 CET 2026
Hi Jason,
I believe your argument had already been presented in detail by Siegmund
Freud,
e.g. in Freud, S. (1920): Drei Abhandlungen zur Sexualtheorie. F.
Deuticke, Leipzig,
https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.psychanalyse.lu__;!!D9dNQwwGXtA!UCYt-ujLRZaQ6WUXFmBppsGMVutN1d-BZkCh4fW0M0Zapv47Y6Ig2ZHuzZ5KM_S5aHFTprq3MBoOBlO18Q5yJ0wJ6fY$ (there should likely be an English edition, too).
Freud argues that breastfeeding is a sexual experience for sucklings,
accompanied by sexual arousal.
I do not at all share Freud's hypothesis.
If so, why don't have all mammals sexy breasts, cats and dogs, pics and
cows, and especially chimps?
In fact, they all reduce their mammary glands after weaning, just in
contrast to humans. Why?
Do boys/men find their mother's breasts sexually attractive and do they
always attempt to squeeze and suck those?
Do mothers typically present their breasts to their sons with sexual
intentions?
Could this regularly be observed or often personally be experienced, in
retrospect?
On Nov 5, 1953, in a phone call with his friend Johanna Fantova in
Priceton, Albert Einstein concluded that
"Freud was a bright man, but a lot of his theory I consider as rubbish"
I share Einstein's opinion regarding Freud's Oedipus complex.
Perhaps it is American prudery that prohibits breastfeeding in the
public as a sexual offence.
In my view, breastfeeding is natural childcare rather than sexual
exhibitionism.
Stastically, the milk production of women is uncorrelated with the size
of their adipose breasts.
As far as I may imagine, most women do not want to miss their breasts as
female symbols.
Losing them for medical reasons is usually a hard decision if there is
no other way. Some even
prefer to risk their life rather than living without breasts. But this
is just my personal impression.
Rainer
Am 18.02.2026 um 02:14 schrieb Jason Hu:
> Hi Rainer,
>
> I just browsed the recent FIS discussions triggered by your
> interesting ideas. I'm puzzled about why nobody so far has suggested
> a different but simpler hypothesis about man's love of female breasts:
>
> Could it be just a nice memory of when we were newborn babies feeding
> from the breasts? Would that nice, warm, satisfying feeling be
> memorized in the pool of our instinct after growing up? The preference
> for the bigger breasts also becomes explainable - it simply means more
> milk food. 😍 For adult males searching for a good mate, larger
> breasts are informational symbols of "my baby can be well fed,"
> therefore, a desirable plus in addition to everything else.
>
> This hypothesis, however, needs to be checked from the women's
> perspective. I don't know if women like breasts as much as men do. But
> there might be two more differentiating variables: Women might have
> "extra inconvenience" of having to carry such fat mass (e.g., when
> having to run fast), and men might have some "envy of not having those
> nice body parts."
>
> Just my two cents of food for thought.
>
> Regards - Jason
> ------------------------------------
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> On Tue, Feb 17, 2026 at 6:49 AM Rainer Feistel (IOW)
> <rainer.feistel at iow.de> wrote:
>
> Caro Francesco,
>
> My Italian is only rudimentary. Is this what you ask for?
>
> Dear Pedro & the experts of art:
>
> You wrote that "a great movie ... made me laugh".
>
> Can we agree that films are a specific form of art?
> Films represent something else (namely, e.g., certain humans in
> certain situations)
> than they physically are themselves (namely, strings of photos or
> of computer bits).
> Given that, can we agree that films are symbols, even if complex ones?
> May we also agree that even art in general consists of specific
> kinds of symbols?
>
> Art is produced by humans with the intention to be received by
> (mostly) other humans.
> Can we agree that art is symbolic communication between humans?
> And that the artist's intended effect of art at the receiver is
> inducing emotions?
> In the body, emotions are carried by symbols, either certain
> chemicals, nerve pulses
> or cellular excitation states.
>
> So, is art a specific kind of symbolic information transfer
> between humans?
>
> By the way, also sex symbols such as bosoms have the purpose of
> inducing emotions.
>
> Rainer
>
> Am 17.02.2026 um 13:32 schrieb Francesco Rizzo:
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>> Caro Rainer.
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>> non riesco a leggere il tuo ultimo messaggio. Puoi
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>> Grazie.
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>> Il giorno lun 16 feb 2026 alle ore 21:34 Pedro C. Marijuán
>> <pedroc.marijuan at gmail.com> ha scritto:
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>> Dear Rainer & FIS Colleagues,
>>
>> First, I would like to join our Chinese Colleagues in the
>> Celebration of their New Year. The year of the Horse: *新年快乐
>> (Xīnnián kuàilè)*
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>> And then I would like to ad some fun to the provocative
>> hypothesis of Rainer on the evolution of female breast. It
>> comes from a great movie:
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>> "... this scene from It's a Mad Mad Mad Mad World
>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://alligator-tunny-3mj4.squarespace.com/config/It's*20a*20Mad*20Mad*20Mad*20Mad*20World__;JSUlJSUl!!D9dNQwwGXtA!WFVu5YtDhZzbe0e_7mOB2Pt7JnW7MHh2IhYnE6n_cPg0KuCsp1MfjahpRzbtgplyPcZUTLkte8H-PEOkRlkp8unyo9Od$> featuring
>> Milton Berle (J. Russell Finch) and Terry-Thomas (J. Algernon
>> Hawthorne) - it made me laugh and I ended up watching the
>> rest of the film.
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>> *J. Algernon Hawthorne*: I must say that if I had the
>> grievous misfortune to be a citizen of this benighted
>> country, I should be the most hesitant of offering any
>> criticism whatever of any other.
>>
>> *J. Russell Finch*: Wait a minute, are you knocking this
>> country? Are you saying something against America?
>>
>> *J. Algernon Hawthorne*: Against it? I should be positively
>> astounded to hear anything that could be said FOR it. Why the
>> whole bloody place is the most unspeakable matriarchy in the
>> whole history of civilization! Look at yourself! The way your
>> wife and her strumpet of a mother push you through the hoop!
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>> As far as I can see, American men have been totally
>> emasculated- they're like slaves! They die like flies from
>> coronary thrombosis while their women sit under hairdryers
>> eating chocolates & arranging for every 2nd Tuesday to be
>> some sort of Mother's Day!
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>> And this positively infantile preoccupation with bosoms. In
>> all time in this wretched Godforsaken country, the one thing
>> that has appalled me most of all this this preposterous
>> preoccupation with bosoms.
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>> Don't you realize they have become the dominant theme in
>> American culture: in literature, advertising and all fields
>> of entertainment and everything. I'll wager you anything you
>> like that if American women stopped wearing brassieres, your
>> whole national economy would collapse overnight."
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>> The two characters are in a car, maintaining this bizarre
>> dialogue while driving in the quest for a lost booty.
>> Curiously in a previous scene there is another amazing
>> dialogue about all the possible partitions of that booty
>> among the different groups involved in the quest. Watch it!
>>
>> Best wishes,
>>
>> --Pedro
>>
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>> El 16/02/2026 a las 11:21, Rainer Feistel (IOW) escribió:
>>>
>>> Dear Krassimir,
>>>
>>> Yes, thanks, I fully agree.
>>>
>>> It is evident that e.g. viruses inject their own genetic
>>> information into
>>> the host cell which then starts producing more viruses ...
>>>
>>> Genetic information, I think, is the first form of symbolic
>>> information, so
>>> that the origin of life is also the origin of symbols.
>>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://doi.org/10.3390/sym16121611__;!!D9dNQwwGXtA!UCYt-ujLRZaQ6WUXFmBppsGMVutN1d-BZkCh4fW0M0Zapv47Y6Ig2ZHuzZ5KM_S5aHFTprq3MBoOBlO18Q5ycdmu0h8$
>>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://doi.org/10.3390/sym16121611__;!!D9dNQwwGXtA!X718m_IsUTUPwzkksIp2P-qufhu6Y2ekUobXTt2dAG9yd4DvwJ2-H1uS-e8vs3XjNuUi6RlGTDVqIYC7t-01kz2dqqU$>
>>>
>>> Rainer
>>>
>>> Am 15.02.2026 um 23:19 schrieb Krassimir Markov:
>>>> Dear Rainer,
>>>> Your ideas that you have been working on lately are
>>>> interesting and could find wider support among specialists.
>>>> For me, as a specialist in the field of information
>>>> studies, this is another good example of information
>>>> interaction.
>>>> It should be specially noted that verbal information
>>>> interaction is a small part of all possible ones and is
>>>> only between people.
>>>> However, in nature, forms of information interaction are
>>>> diverse and occur at all levels of living matter - starting
>>>> from the lowest, perhaps cells (I have no examples of a
>>>> lower level!) and continuing to the social level between
>>>> people.
>>>> With respect,
>>>> Krassimir
>>>>
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Physicist (emeritus)
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CITAC Best Paper Award, Paris 2011
IAPWS Honorary Fellow, London 2013
BIPM Metrologia Highlight Articles, Paris 2016
EGU Fridtjof Nansen Medal, Vienna 2018
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