[Fis] Acknowledgments--ends and beginnings
Pedro C. Marijuán
pedroc.marijuan at gmail.com
Mon Jan 15 21:19:45 CET 2024
Hi Stu--and colleagues,
Coincidentally with your message I was reading McLuhan's "Man and
Media" (1979):
/"I am suggesting that the Club of Rome is really talking to the old
nineteenth-century situation of quantity and hardware and ignoring
completely the effect of software information on the human psyche. The
rip-off of human psychic resources by new media may far exceed the
dangers involved in energy shortages from hardware."
/
/
/
Literally, it is not a bad suggestion regarding the irrationality of
some present ideological policies (I have a dramatic video showing the
destruction of a beautiful Spanish landscape by hundreds of windmills).
And taking the citation symbolically, it might be arguing for a
liberation of the informational discourse out from the physicalist
stance. So, the "end" you have achieved with Andrea Roli about the
non-deducibility of the evolving biosphere may represent another
argument for a genuine liberation from the "science of the hardware".
The scientific discourse, as regularly practiced, is supported by a
limited number of concepts-arguments that are cohered into a "point of
view", caught into a shared "perspective" (in the sense of philosopher
Ortega y Gasset). Thus, devoting most of our argumentative resources to
arriving at the "end", when we have already confirmed that end from
different points of view, seems to demand an alternative--a "beginning"
strategy starting to build out from there. We may leave aside the burden
of physicalist questions and conundrums --still deep unsolved ones-- and
try to advance the "informational point of view" or the "informational
perspective"--out from new "principles" (beginnings). My own bet is from
reflection about the basic biological organization towards the many
other realms based on information-communicating agents, of course
including the careful scrutiny of our societies' psychic resources as
McLuhan points.
A new point of view, informational, where many disciplines would
converge in co-creating it, could parallel and complement the
monopolistic historic influence of the "hardware" science... And in
order to clarify misunderstandings about implementing a new
reductionism, the whole knowledge edifice appears as an enormous social
combinatorics enterprise, where an unending mixing occurs, and where
the frequent overstretching of successful theories becomes an
intellectual toxic. To socially better playing this combinatorics of
perspectives, getting free of the mentioned monopolistic influence would
be quite convenient. Curiously we count with a historical Saint Patron--
Ramon Llull (or Raimundo Lulio, or Raimundus Lullus) who developed in
13th Century his wonderful Ars Combinatory, or Ars Magna. He even
devised a mechanical contraption of rotating boards to help exploring
the combinatoric universe of faith, philosophy, logic...
Hope not having gone too astray.
Best--Pedro
El 15/01/2024 a las 16:25, Stuart Kauffman escribió:
> Thanks Krassimir. Yes Thinking Life. I will soon complete an article
> with Andrea Roli: Is the Emergence of Life an Expected Phase
> Transition in the Evolving Universe?” and will share it with the
> group. In it, quite to my surprise, I think we demonstrate that John
> von Neumann’s famous self reproducing machine is badly mistaken about
> how living cells reproduce. It is all very odd. If we are correct, the
> software hardware distinction does not apply to living cells. But the
> software hardware distinction surely applies to Universal Turning
> Machines. How can both be true?
>
> It seems a deep new puzzle. It may be related to Aristotle’s Four
> Causes and how they can be true, but not, I suspect, for reproducing
> cells. Very odd.
>
> Best to all,.
>
> Stu
>
>> On Jan 15, 2024, at 3:18 AM, Krassimir Markov <itheaiss at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Dear Stu,
>> Thanks for the reply.
>> I was able to find your lecture and interview on the web and got my
>> questions answered. I have no more questions for you.
>> I completely agree with you that "Life is a mystery", but I am
>> convinced that it will be revealed by another, greater mystery - The
>> Thinking Life!
>> Therefore, let us follow the wisdom of the Bulgarians, who say:
>> "The vineyard wants a hoe, it won't a prayer!"
>> Keep working!
>>
>> Dear Lou,
>> Thank you very much for the interesting presentation. Category theory
>> is yet to become more relevant, especially in the modeling of
>> intellectual processes and activities.
>> I have some doubts about using the metaphor of quantum physics to
>> model them.
>> Especially considering the drive to break away from the physical
>> paradigm.
>> It's really strange, on the one hand we don't want physics, and on
>> the other hand we are firmly attached to the idea of the quantum brain.
>>
>> Dear Gordana,
>> Thanks for the very timely idea to discuss some computing issues.
>> It would be especially interesting to me if there were time and
>> opportunities to discuss the current state of cognitive computing.
>>
>> With respect,
>> Krassimir
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