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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Hi Stu--and colleagues, <br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Coincidentally with your message I was
reading McLuhan's "Man and Media" (1979): <br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix"><i>"I am suggesting that the Club of
Rome is really talking to the old nineteenth-century situation
of quantity and hardware and ignoring completely the effect of
software information on the human psyche. The rip-off of human
psychic resources by new media may far exceed the dangers
involved in energy shortages from hardware." <br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Literally, it is not a bad suggestion
regarding the irrationality of some present ideological policies
(I have a dramatic video showing the destruction of a beautiful
Spanish landscape by hundreds of windmills). And taking the
citation symbolically, it might be arguing for a liberation of the
informational discourse out from the physicalist stance. So, the
"end" you have achieved with Andrea Roli about the
non-deducibility of the evolving biosphere may represent another
argument for a genuine liberation from the "science of the
hardware". <br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">The scientific discourse, as regularly
practiced, is supported by a limited number of concepts-arguments
that are cohered into a "point of view", caught into a shared
"perspective" (in the sense of philosopher Ortega y Gasset). Thus,
devoting most of our argumentative resources to arriving at the
"end", when we have already confirmed that end from different
points of view, seems to demand an alternative--a "beginning"
strategy starting to build out from there. We may leave aside the
burden of physicalist questions and conundrums --still deep
unsolved ones-- and try to advance the "informational point of
view" or the "informational perspective"--out from new
"principles" (beginnings). My own bet is from reflection about the
basic biological organization towards the many other realms based
on information-communicating agents, of course including the
careful scrutiny of our societies' psychic resources as McLuhan
points. <br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">A new point of view, informational,
where many disciplines would converge in co-creating it, could
parallel and complement the monopolistic historic influence of the
"hardware" science... And in order to clarify misunderstandings
about implementing a new reductionism, the whole knowledge edifice
appears as an enormous social combinatorics enterprise, where an
unending mixing occurs, and where the frequent overstretching of
successful theories becomes an intellectual toxic. To socially
better playing this combinatorics of perspectives, getting free of
the mentioned monopolistic influence would be quite convenient.
Curiously we count with a historical Saint Patron-- Ramon Llull
(or Raimundo Lulio, or Raimundus Lullus) who developed in 13th
Century his wonderful Ars Combinatory, or Ars Magna. He even
devised a mechanical contraption of rotating boards to help
exploring the combinatoric universe of faith, philosophy, logic...</div>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Hope not having gone too astray.</div>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Best--Pedro<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix"> El 15/01/2024 a las 16:25, Stuart
Kauffman escribió:<br>
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Thanks Krassimir. Yes Thinking Life. I will soon complete an
article with Andrea Roli: Is the Emergence of Life an Expected
Phase Transition in the Evolving Universe?” and will share it with
the group. In it, quite to my surprise, I think we demonstrate
that John von Neumann’s famous self reproducing machine is badly
mistaken about how living cells reproduce. It is all very odd. If
we are correct, the software hardware distinction does not apply
to living cells. But the software hardware distinction surely
applies to Universal Turning Machines. How can both be true?
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<div>It seems a deep new puzzle. It may be related to Aristotle’s
Four Causes and how they can be true, but not, I suspect, for
reproducing cells. Very odd. </div>
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<div>Best to all,.</div>
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<div>On Jan 15, 2024, at 3:18 AM, Krassimir Markov
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:itheaiss@gmail.com"><itheaiss@gmail.com></a> wrote:</div>
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<div dir="ltr">Dear Stu,<br>
Thanks for the reply.<br>
I was able to find your lecture and interview on the web
and got my questions answered. I have no more questions
for you.<br>
I completely agree with you that "Life is a mystery",
but I am convinced that it will be revealed by another,
greater mystery - The Thinking Life!<br>
Therefore, let us follow the wisdom of the Bulgarians,
who say:<br>
"The vineyard wants a hoe, it won't a prayer!"<br>
Keep working!<br>
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Dear Lou,<br>
Thank you very much for the interesting presentation.
Category theory is yet to become more relevant,
especially in the modeling of intellectual processes and
activities.<br>
I have some doubts about using the metaphor of quantum
physics to model them.
<div>Especially considering the drive to break away from
the physical paradigm. </div>
<div>It's really strange, on the one hand we don't want
physics, and on the other hand we are firmly attached
to the idea of the quantum brain.<br>
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Dear Gordana,<br>
Thanks for the very timely idea to discuss some
computing issues. </div>
<div>It would be especially interesting to me if there
were time and opportunities to discuss the current
state of cognitive computing.<br>
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With respect,<br>
Krassimir<br>
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