[Fis] The Basic Core of Wisdom - the main body

Tue Oct 31 12:26:23 CET 2023

Dear Chen and FIS colleagues,

Welcome to the list. Your comments on the "main body" are interesting. 
They look close to the (Taoist?) tradition of "/chi flow/" in the body. 
The interrelation between the/li /and the /chi/ in the organism looks 
quite enigmatic (say, information flow vs. energy flow: time ago I 
published about that from the point of view of cellular gauge symmetry). 
This interesting "main body" theme may also be connected with the 
discussions on consciousness... Nevertheless, I fail to see the 
relationship with "wisdom". Most parties in this list are discussing 
about wisdom from a "realist stance" (as something clearly delimited in 
the real world) while I adopt a "nominalist" position: it represents 
nothing but a useful artificial convention about an unassailable 
phenomenon. Nevertheless, in our times whatever wisdom might be around 
remains buried under growing heaps of specialized, mostly technological 
knowledge. Taking its evanescent presence as a crucial distinction 
between humans and the new AI systems does not look very "wise"...  If 
we provide full Autonomy and maybe some form of embodiment (robotic?) to 
these systems, well, things could be pretty problematic, far beyond the 
realistic or nominalist stance around wisdom.

Best--Pedro

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El 30/10/2023 a las 2:13, shda1 escribió:
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> Dear everyone,
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> Sorry! I encountered a formatting error in my reply yesterday and will 
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> I am delighted that everyone can discuss wisdom from artificial 
> intelligence. Here, I propose a more basic and core concept about 
> wisdom - the main body, which is the fundamental concept of wisdom.
> The main body, also known as the main body program, is a high-level 
> program combination of energy. The the main body needs to combine with 
> the organism in order to exist and form a main body existence. Main 
> body existence is an existence with autonomy and initiative, and the 
> extension of main body is greater than that of the living body. The 
> living body is only a common type of main body existence. AI has no 
> main body, so no matter how powerful it may be, it does not belong to 
> the main body existence and can only be an appendage of the living 
> body. So, is there a possibility that AI will also break through 
> itself and gain the main body? Never possible! The main body is a 
> product of natural evolution in the universe, which humans cannot 
> manufacture and can only use reasonably. Chen Wang Visiting Professor 
> at SEGD University New Civilization International Cooperation 
> Organization
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> >From: Eric Werner <eric.werner at oarf.org>
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> >Dear Plamen,
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> >Fully agree that such systems can have bias and that this bias can 
> >infect humans. However, one person's bias is another's truth. All the 
> >experiment showed was the heritability of bias from AI system to human.? 
> >That is a problem.
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> >However, in a political setting one would have to very cautious when 
> >larger corporations and governments start to determine what is bias and 
> >what is not. '
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> >How to avoid "bias" will I think be an impossible task.
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> >Best wishes,
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> >Eric
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