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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Dear Chen and FIS colleagues,</div>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Welcome to the list. Your comments on
the "main body" are interesting. They look close to the (Taoist?)
tradition of "<i>chi flow</i>" in the body. The interrelation
between the<i> li </i>and the <i>chi</i> in the organism looks
quite enigmatic (say, information flow vs. energy flow: time ago I
published about that from the point of view of cellular gauge
symmetry). This interesting "main body" theme may also be
connected with the discussions on consciousness... Nevertheless, I
fail to see the relationship with "wisdom". Most parties in this
list are discussing about wisdom from a "realist stance" (as
something clearly delimited in the real world) while I adopt a
"nominalist" position: it represents nothing but a useful
artificial convention about an unassailable phenomenon.
Nevertheless, in our times whatever wisdom might be around remains
buried under growing heaps of specialized, mostly technological
knowledge. Taking its evanescent presence as a crucial distinction
between humans and the new AI systems does not look very
"wise"... If we provide full Autonomy and maybe some form of
embodiment (robotic?) to these systems, well, things could be
pretty problematic, far beyond the realistic or nominalist stance
around wisdom.</div>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Best--Pedro<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">BY THE WAY, THERE ARE AT LEAST 6
MESSAGES BLOCKED BY THE SERVER DUE TO THEIR EXCESSIVE LENGTH,
BEYOND THE LIMIT OF 300 K. SO DIFFICULT IS CLEANING THE "TAIL" OF
PREVIOUS MESSAGES (OR AT LEAST A PART OF THEM)???? ADMIRABLE
STUBBORNNESS OF SOME FIS COLLEAGUES!</div>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">El 30/10/2023 a las 2:13, shda1
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<div><span style="font-family: monospace; white-space-collapse:
preserve;">I am delighted that everyone can discuss wisdom
from artificial intelligence. Here, I propose a more basic
and core concept about wisdom - the main body, which is the
fundamental concept of wisdom.</span></div>
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preserve;">
The main body, also known as the main body program, is a
high-level program combination of energy. The the main body
needs to combine with the organism in order to exist and form
a main body existence. Main body existence is an existence
with autonomy and initiative, and the extension of main body
is greater than that of the living body. The living body is
only a common type of main body existence.
AI has no main body, so no matter how powerful it may be, it
does not belong to the main body existence and can only be an
appendage of the living body. So, is there a possibility that
AI will also break through itself and gain the main body?
Never possible! The main body is a product of natural
evolution in the universe, which humans cannot manufacture and
can only use reasonably. Chen Wang
Visiting Professor at SEGD University
New Civilization International Cooperation Organization</span>
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">At 2023-10-29 21:39:54, "" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:fis-request@listas.unizar.es"><fis-request@listas.unizar.es></a> wrote:
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>Message: 1
>Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2023 13:26:22 +0100
>From: Plamen <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:plamen.l.simeonov@gmail.com"><plamen.l.simeonov@gmail.com></a>
>To: fis <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:fis@listas.unizar.es"><fis@listas.unizar.es></a>
>Subject: [Fis] PTSD: AI biases absorbed by humans?.
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>Message: 2
>Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2023 14:16:40 +0100
>From: Eric Werner <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:eric.werner@oarf.org"><eric.werner@oarf.org></a>
>To: Plamen <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:plamen.l.simeonov@gmail.com"><plamen.l.simeonov@gmail.com></a>, fis <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:fis@listas.unizar.es"><fis@listas.unizar.es></a>
>Subject: Re: [Fis] PTSD: AI biases absorbed by humans?.
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>Dear Plamen,
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>Fully agree that such systems can have bias and that this bias can
>infect humans. However, one person's bias is another's truth. All the
>experiment showed was the heritability of bias from AI system to human.?
>That is a problem.
>
>However, in a political setting one would have to very cautious when
>larger corporations and governments start to determine what is bias and
>what is not. '
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>How to avoid "bias" will I think be an impossible task.
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>Best wishes,
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>Eric
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>On 10/29/23 1:26 PM, Plamen wrote:
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