[Fis] The Basic Core of Wisdom - the main body

Mon Oct 30 02:13:49 CET 2023

Dear everyone,

Sorry! I encountered a formatting error in my reply yesterday and will resend it today.

I am delighted that everyone can discuss wisdom from artificial intelligence. Here, I propose a more basic and core concept about wisdom - the main body, which is the fundamental concept of wisdom.
The main body, also known as the main body program, is a high-level program combination of energy. The the main body needs to combine with the organism in order to exist and form a main body existence. Main body existence is an existence with autonomy and initiative, and the extension of main body is greater than that of the living body. The living body is only a common type of main body existence. AI has no main body, so no matter how powerful it may be, it does not belong to the main body existence and can only be an appendage of the living body. So, is there a possibility that AI will also break through itself and gain the main body? Never possible! The main body is a product of natural evolution in the universe, which humans cannot manufacture and can only use reasonably. Chen Wang Visiting Professor at SEGD University New Civilization International Cooperation Organization

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>From: Eric Werner <eric.werner at oarf.org>
>To: Plamen <plamen.l.simeonov at gmail.com>, fis <fis at listas.unizar.es>
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>Dear Plamen,
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>Fully agree that such systems can have bias and that this bias can 
>infect humans. However, one person's bias is another's truth. All the 
>experiment showed was the heritability of bias from AI system to human.? 
>That is a problem.
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>However, in a political setting one would have to very cautious when 
>larger corporations and governments start to determine what is bias and 
>what is not. '
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>How to avoid "bias" will I think be an impossible task.
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>Best wishes,
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>Eric
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>On 10/29/23 1:26 PM, Plamen wrote:
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>Alas, Eric, and here we are back to the definitions and distinctions that
>mathematicians love to build wonderful worlds on them.
>Our world has never been fuzzier than today.
>A real mess and the end of science, at least for a while - until the mess
>is gone.
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>Amen!
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>Plamen
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>On Sun, Oct 29, 2023 at 2:16?PM Eric Werner <eric.werner at oarf.org> wrote:
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>> Dear Plamen,
>>
>> Fully agree that such systems can have bias and that this bias can infect
>> humans. However, one person's bias is another's truth. All the experiment
>> showed was the heritability of bias from AI system to human.  That is a
>> problem.
>>
>> However, in a political setting one would have to very cautious when
>> larger corporations and governments start to determine what is bias and
>> what is not. '
>>
>> How to avoid "bias" will I think be an impossible task.
>>
>> Best wishes,
>>
>> Eric
>> On 10/29/23 1:26 PM, Plamen wrote:
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>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www-scientificamerican-com.cdn.ampproject.org/c/s/www.scientificamerican.com/article/humans-absorb-bias-from-ai-and-keep-it-after-they-stop-using-the-algorithm/?amp=true__;!!D9dNQwwGXtA!SHUUOa4B0F9kxK2vjy8cLrhqjUToq5OW3Hg5CAyMsxtzWQVAGmOy6WQe2zDxR30Y8IisMW5zooatI8r__i5cvhJUWN0N$
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