[Fis] Information, misinformation, disinformation

[Karl Javorszky]

We need to agree on what is a true message before we can discuss the
observed or assumed deviations of any realized message to the true message.

Wittgenstein and Shannon (et al) have given formal criteria for the truth
of any message. That approach is not practical.

The semantic definition connects the message to an etalon message that is
invariably true, but has different properties. The hypothesis is that all
messages can be transformed to vectors, and the lay of the vectors can be
compared to the relation of the central elements.

All contexts can be related to the relative positions of the central
elements. The message depicts a relationship among some of the elements,
which could also be otherwise.

The central elements are an implication of properties of natural numbers.
Their relations to each other are in any context defined and true.

Practically, one would check the message in question according to it being
improbable, unusual, etc up to self-evident implications, compared to what
the absolutely true statement about the relationship between the two
central elements says in the same context. Like a kind of Occam's razor.

Karl



joe.brenner en bluewin.ch <joe.brenner en bluewin.ch> schrieb am Mo., 5. Juni
2023, 11:31:

> No, not completely subjective. This is an appeal to an absolute, binary
> criterion. There is a direct line of causality between the intent to
> disinform, the impact of the false message on the receiver, and the
> conclusions drawn by the receiver. The first two factors are not
> subjective, the third is only partly so.
>
> What is the finality of the last sentence? That one should *not *combat
> disinformation?
>
> I think the writer means "censors" and not "sensors".
>
> Thank you,
> Joseph
>
> ----Original Message----
> From : lidinkl en hotmail.com
> Date : 05/06/2023 - 09:24 (E)
> To : petitjean.chiral en gmail.com, fis en a
> Subject : Re: [Fis] Information, misinformation, disinformation
>
> the concept of disinformation is completely subjective.
> According to Shannon, lies (noise) this is irrelevant information.
> Relevance is compliance with the goals of the participants in the
> information transfer process. Any message is relevant (truthful) if it
> corresponds to the picture of the world of the sender and recipient of the
> message. For example, a message about the existence of demons is truthful
> information for a believer in demons, but the same message is
> disinformation for an atheist.
> Declarations on combating disinformation are a reason for the introduction
> of stricter censorship by EU and EC officials. Obviously, if this project
> is implemented, special sensors will be assigned that will determine the
> level of reliability of messages and punish messages that contradict the
> official picture of the world from EC officials
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Fis <fis-bounces en listas.unizar.es> on behalf of Michel Petitjean <
> petitjean.chiral en gmail.com>
> *Sent:* 05 June 2023 02:58
> *To:* fis <fis en listas.unizar.es>
> *Subject:* [Fis] Information, misinformation, disinformation
>
> Dear All,
> Europa declares that fighting disinformation will be legal obligation.
> Let me ask some questions:
> - Who is able to recognize misinformation vs. information?
> - When misinformation is recognized, who is able to establish an
> intentional character, so that it is disinformation indeed?
> - Who will be in charge to do the tasks above?
> Well, in some simple cases disinformation can be recognized.
> Just curious, would we all agree when such of these cases is stated to
> have occurred?
> Better would be to massively educate people rather than to censor.
> All my best.
> Michel. retired scientist.
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