<div dir="auto">We need to agree on what is a true message before we can discuss the observed or assumed deviations of any realized message to the true message.<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Wittgenstein and Shannon (et al) have given formal criteria for the truth of any message. That approach is not practical.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">The semantic definition connects the message to an etalon message that is invariably true, but has different properties. The hypothesis is that all messages can be transformed to vectors, and the lay of the vectors can be compared to the relation of the central elements.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">All contexts can be related to the relative positions of the central elements. The message depicts a relationship among some of the elements, which could also be otherwise. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">The central elements are an implication of properties of natural numbers. Their relations to each other are in any context defined and true. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Practically, one would check the message in question according to it being improbable, unusual, etc up to self-evident implications, compared to what the absolutely true statement about the relationship between the two central elements says in the same context. Like a kind of Occam's razor. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Karl </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr"><a href="mailto:joe.brenner@bluewin.ch" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">joe.brenner@bluewin.ch</a> <<a href="mailto:joe.brenner@bluewin.ch" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">joe.brenner@bluewin.ch</a>> schrieb am Mo., 5. Juni 2023, 11:31:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><font size="3">No, not completely subjective. This is an appeal to an absolute, binary criterion. There is a direct line of causality between the intent to disinform, the impact of the false message on the receiver, and the conclusions drawn by the receiver. The first two factors are not subjective, the third is only partly so.</font><div><font size="3"><br></font></div><div><font size="3">What is the finality of the last sentence? That one should <i>not </i>combat disinformation?</font></div><div><font size="3"><br></font></div><div><font size="3">I think the writer means "censors" and not "sensors".</font></div><div><font size="3"><br></font></div><div><font size="3">Thank you,</font></div><div><font size="3">Joseph </font><br><blockquote style="margin-right:0px;margin-left:15px">----Original Message----<br>From : <a href="mailto:lidinkl@hotmail.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">lidinkl@hotmail.com</a><br>Date : 05/06/2023 - 09:24 (E)<br>To : <a href="mailto:petitjean.chiral@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">petitjean.chiral@gmail.com</a>, fis@a<br>Subject : Re: [Fis] Information, misinformation, disinformation<br><br>
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the concept of disinformation is completely subjective.
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According to Shannon, lies (noise) this is irrelevant information. Relevance is compliance with the goals of the participants in the information transfer process. Any message is relevant (truthful) if it corresponds to the picture of the world of the sender and recipient of the message. For example, a message about the existence of demons is truthful information for a believer in demons, but the same message is disinformation for an atheist.
</div> Declarations on combating disinformation are a reason for the introduction of stricter censorship by EU and EC officials. Obviously, if this project is implemented, special sensors will be assigned that will determine the level of reliability of messages and punish messages that contradict the official picture of the world from EC officials
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<font face="Calibri, sans-serif" style="font-size:11.0pt" color="#000000"><b>From:</b> Fis <<a href="mailto:fis-bounces@listas.unizar.es" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">fis-bounces@listas.unizar.es</a>> on behalf of Michel Petitjean <<a href="mailto:petitjean.chiral@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">petitjean.chiral@gmail.com</a>><br><b>Sent:</b> 05 June 2023 02:58<br><b>To:</b> fis <<a href="mailto:fis@listas.unizar.es" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">fis@listas.unizar.es</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> [Fis] Information, misinformation, disinformation</font>
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Dear All,
<br> Europa declares that fighting disinformation will be legal obligation.
<br> Let me ask some questions:
<br> - Who is able to recognize misinformation vs. information?
<br> - When misinformation is recognized, who is able to establish an
<br> intentional character, so that it is disinformation indeed?
<br> - Who will be in charge to do the tasks above?
<br> Well, in some simple cases disinformation can be recognized.
<br> Just curious, would we all agree when such of these cases is stated to
<br> have occurred?
<br> Better would be to massively educate people rather than to censor.
<br> All my best.
<br> Michel. retired scientist.
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