[Fis] What did the OpenAI answer ...

Wed Feb 22 10:26:09 CET 2023

Dear Colleagues,

Ach would it be easy if it would be that simple: finite automats can never
think, because these operate only and exclusively on such symbols and
statements made up of symbols that exist. (We do not speak of things that
do not exist, last formalized by Wittgenstein.) So far the state of current
thinking as of till yesterday.

Our technologic progress since the end years of the Monarchy has made
possible that we extend the vocabulary and the grammar to include the
ability to speak also about facts and relations that are currently not the
case.

Our thoughts are based on symbols that depict something that is not the
case. That what we imagine is different to that what we perceive.

Basing a world view on periodic changes, one encounters reorders among the
elements, so that as a consequence the assembly is better sorted for the
next task.

Reorders are based on cycles. Elements organize themselves into task groups
of who will occupy whose present place in the course of the reorder. Those
elements that have a next whom they will push away and a previous that had
pushed the element away, during a specific reorder, such elements
constitute a cycle in that specific reorder.

The push away incidents follow each other within a cycle. The linear
sequence of push away incidents in cycles that run parallel is what we call
time.

In any moment of "now", one of the members of the cycle is the case. The
others had been and will come again.

Those members of cycles that are not the case now do not exist now.

This collection is broadly descriptive of the collection that is the case.
It contains such elements which will be the case in k steps.

Life utilises the collection of implicated statements describing a
non-existence. In a non-living scenario we see entropy and black holes.
Life is recycling past and borrowing against upcoming instances of becoming
existent.

We have to address the implications of true sentences on the collection of
false sentences. Wittgenstein was not able to do so, lacking computers.

The matter is actually there. Our brain plays with the implications of what
we experience. There are forms and shapes in the background, in the
collection of statements that describe states of the world that are not the
case.

We definitely do need a new basic approach to bring the dictionary and
grammar of rational thinking up to date.

Karl

L

On Tue, 21 Feb 2023, 10:48 Plamen, <plamen.l.simeonov en gmail.com> wrote:

> Dear Francesco et All!
>
> Exactly! Giving yet another “Anschein” - appearance/impression/resemblance
> to information and intelligence does not mean that it IS what it claims to
> be. It is yet another “Täuschung“ - illusion/deception/bluff - that leads
> later to „Ent-Täuschung“ - disappointment/frustration/disillusionment:
> Kant‘s language tells it concisely like in formal logic. A better reference
> for what follows is the Holy Bible. AI cannot be made human; it is just a
> hollow shell. Try asking about meanings in Byron’s or Botev’s poetry,
> Krassimir.
>
> Best,
>
> Plamen
>
>
> On Feb 21, 2023, at 7:54 AM, Francesco Rizzo <13francesco.rizzo en gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> 
> Dear Kassimir and Nikita,
> data, news, knowledge take on a value or meaning by virtue of the
> information to which they give rise. So without this information process
> that gives or causes things, ideas and living beings, including people, to
> take shape , does not occur what Karl Marx e. modestly too, we call the
> assumption of the form of value or the value of the form. "So to say that
> INFORMATION can take many FORMS" is a misleading pleonasm, because
> what takes a certain form cannot have-be an EDUCATIONAL action that gives
> SHAPE in itself. In this epistemological-onto-logical context INFORMATION
> is the law of the laws of both biology, physics, and economics, etc. Warm
> greetings and best wishes to All,
> Francesco
>
> Cari Kassimir e Nikita,
> dati, notizie, conoscenze assumono un valore o significato in virtù
> dell'informazione a cui danno luogo.
> Quindi senza questo processo di informazione che dà o fa prendere forma
> alle cose, alle idee e agli esseri
> viventi, comprese le persone, non si verifica quello che Karl Marx e.
> modestamente anch'io, chiamiamo
> assunzione della forma del valore o del valore della forma.  "Quindi dire
> che le INFORMAZIONI possono
> assumere molte FORME" è un pleonasma ingannevole, perché ciò che assume
> una certa forma non può
> avere-essere  in se stessa un'azione FORMATIVA che dà FORMA. In questo
> contesto epistemo-onto-logico
> l'INFORMAZIONE è la legge delle leggi sia della biologia, sia della
> fisica, sia dell'economia, etc.
> Un saluto affettuoso e augurale a Tutti.
> Francesco,
>
> .
>
> Il giorno mar 21 feb 2023 alle ore 05:51 Nikita Shklovskiy <
> nikitashk en gmail.com> ha scritto:
>
>> Great conversation!
>> I was very interested in the questions.
>> And the answers... We have a nursery rhyme:
>> "if you can guess
>> what will the parrot tell us?
>> That's what he'll say, I guess
>> that hammered a parrot."
>> It seems to me that "information" cannot be fully defined without
>> defining the reader. Just as in physical problems they forget about the
>> necessary "let's create initial conditions", so "information" does not
>> exist without the knowledge of which language system can interpret it,
>> extract meaning. These three concepts: "language", "text", "meaning" must
>> be defined together.
>> And then there is no problem with God - a System that owns a maximum of
>> language systems :)))
>>
>> Пн, 20 февр. 2023 г. в 21:25, Krassimir Markov <itheaiss en gmail.com>:
>>
>>> Dear FIS Colleagues,
>>> It was interesting to provide a little conversation with the OpenAi
>>> system via ChatGPT.
>>> It is given below. Maybe you have some comments.
>>> Friendly greetings,
>>> Krassimir
>>>
>>> Markov: What is "information"?
>>>
>>> OpenAI: Information is a term used to describe knowledge or data that
>>> has been collected, processed, and communicated. It is a measure of the
>>> amount of uncertainty that has been reduced by an event or message.
>>> Information can take many forms, including text, images, sounds, and
>>> numbers. It is often communicated through language or symbols, and can be
>>> stored and transmitted using a wide range of technologies, from books to
>>> computers to the internet.
>>>
>>> Information can be used to make decisions, solve problems, and gain
>>> understanding of the world around us. It is a critical resource in fields
>>> such as science, technology, business, and education. In many cases,
>>> information is considered a valuable commodity, and individuals or
>>> organizations may go to great lengths to acquire or protect it.
>>>
>>> ***
>>>
>>> Markov: Why do we call knowledge or data "information" if we have good
>>> terms "knowledge" and "data"?
>>>
>>> OpenAI: While the terms "knowledge" and "data" are related to the
>>> concept of information, they are not exactly interchangeable. Knowledge
>>> typically refers to the understanding or awareness that someone has gained
>>> through learning or experience, while data refers to the raw facts and
>>> figures that are collected and analyzed.
>>>
>>> Information, on the other hand, can be seen as a combination of both
>>> knowledge and data. It is the result of processing and organizing raw data
>>> into a form that is meaningful and useful. Information can be thought of as
>>> data that has been put into context, providing insights, answers, or
>>> solutions to questions or problems.
>>>
>>> The term "information" has become widely used in modern times due to the
>>> proliferation of digital technologies and the rapid growth of data-driven
>>> industries such as information technology and data science. These fields
>>> rely heavily on the collection, processing, and analysis of large amounts
>>> of data to derive insights and make decisions. In this context, the term
>>> "information" has become a catch-all term for any kind of data that has
>>> been processed and transformed into a useful form.
>>>
>>> ***
>>>
>>> Markov: Does this mean that "information" is a generalized term for
>>> "data" or not?
>>>
>>> Yes, in many cases, the term "information" is used as a generalized term
>>> for "data". However, as I mentioned earlier, the term "information"
>>> typically refers to data that has been processed and organized in a
>>> meaningful way. This means that while all information can be considered
>>> data, not all data can be considered information.
>>>
>>> Data refers to raw, unprocessed facts and figures, such as measurements,
>>> statistics, or observations. For example, a collection of temperature
>>> readings taken over time could be considered data. However, this data may
>>> not be very useful on its own without some context or interpretation.
>>>
>>> When the temperature data is organized into a chart or graph, and
>>> analyzed to identify trends or patterns, it becomes information. The
>>> information derived from the temperature data could be used to make
>>> decisions, such as when to turn on the heat or air conditioning, or to
>>> analyze climate patterns over time.
>>>
>>> So, while "information" can be used as a generalized term for "data", it
>>> often implies a level of organization, context, and meaning that goes
>>> beyond raw data.
>>>
>>> ***
>>>
>>> Markov: Well, why do you think that "knowledge" is "information"?
>>>
>>> OpenAI: While "knowledge" and "information" are related concepts, they
>>> are not exactly the same thing. Knowledge refers to the understanding or
>>> awareness that someone has gained through learning or experience, while
>>> information refers to data that has been processed and organized in a
>>> meaningful way.
>>>
>>> However, it is true that knowledge can be seen as a type of information.
>>> Knowledge is often derived from information, and the two concepts are
>>> closely connected. In many cases, information is processed and interpreted
>>> by individuals or groups to gain knowledge, insights, or understanding of a
>>> particular topic or subject.
>>>
>>> For example, if someone reads a book about the history of Ancient Rome,
>>> the information contained in the book - such as dates, names, and events -
>>> could be seen as raw data. However, the act of reading and interpreting the
>>> information in the book allows the reader to gain knowledge about Ancient
>>> Rome, such as its culture, politics, and social structures.
>>>
>>> So, while knowledge is not exactly the same as information, it is
>>> closely related and can be seen as a type of information that has been
>>> processed and interpreted by individuals or groups.
>>>
>>> ***
>>>
>>> Markov: What is the relation between concepts "information" and "God"?
>>>
>>> OPenAI: There is no inherent or established relation between the
>>> concepts of "information" and "God". "Information" is a term used to
>>> describe data that has been processed and organized in a meaningful way,
>>> while "God" is a term used in various religious and philosophical contexts
>>> to describe a supreme being or divine force.
>>>
>>> While some religious or philosophical perspectives may connect these
>>> concepts in various ways, such connections would be subjective and not
>>> based on any inherent relationship between the two concepts. Each concept
>>> has its own distinct meaning and context.
>>>
>>> It's important to note that as an AI language model, I am designed to
>>> provide factual and objective information based on evidence and established
>>> knowledge, and I do not hold any personal beliefs or opinions on religious
>>> or philosophical matters.
>>>
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