[Fis] A New Intellectual Avant-Garde

Karl Javorszky karl.javorszky at gmail.com
Mon May 9 14:23:36 CEST 2022

Dear Joseph,

THANK YOU. In fact, I am working on an essay that should fit well your
The first part is ready. I will include it here.
The second part introduces a figure of legend, the oriental sage el hakim
bin zoltan ibn alfred. He supposedly lived in Akkadia, which lost against
Sumer after countless wars. The Akkadians did not want to count uniform
units becoming more or less. They counted the group structures of a fixed
size assembly. Like sociology.
His main work was a handbook on how to evaluate wives.
We picked up on his work in the form of the cohort of logical primitives.
Cycles connect the elements.

The third part introduces the concept of *bondage*.
The connection between the elements that are together in a cycle is a
numeric value. This is the basic concept of the bondage.
The imperial bondage exists in the case of the system as it stands (it
never stands actually, the collectiotn of all possible bondages is meant),
The royal bondages are the individual *from to *pairs of reorders (say
from *[a,
b] *into *[b, a])*
Spatial bondages relate specifically 3 elements which together tense
(weave) up 1 slice of space,
Actual bondages connect elements which are concurrently *now, *
Opportunistic bondages arrive as opportunities to increase or decrease
values connected to the cycle (the element can opt out of a bondage if more
advantageous connections are available),
And many other types and forms of bondages.
The funny thing is that we do have all the data. They come with the basic
package 'natural numbers'.

The fourth, closing part works with the observation of El hakim : '*where
caravans paths cross, souks will pop up' *and *'souks will pop up, where
caravans paths cross' *
to blur/clarify the concept(s) *relation, object. *
This, combined with *'type of caravans type of souks', 'type of souks, type
of caravans' *leads us to the Oriental idea of the souks being indebted to
each other, based on their accumulated bondages, evaluated on the imperial

Summary :
We can read off a numeric relation between any elements of the logical
habitat. There is a method to assign meaning to the numbers found, this
would be a name-giving effort. Then there is the method of verifying the
meaning one hypothesises, by checking the numbers.
The main idea is to believe that there exists a natural fact, that elements
of the habitat are in bondages with each other. The extent of the mutual
bondages is a corollary of the natural numbers.

Phantasy - allegory enough?


Ps it appears that the table format is not carried over on inclusion here
in the letter. Sorry, the piece should be ready in a few days.

The Ultimate Rhetorical Exercise: The Beard of the Emperor (220428)

Dear Colleagues,

1. Augurs promising
As was remarked before, this group has matured into an interactional
community, that comes close to the ideal of friendly exchanges of advanced
thoughts. We have open minds, talents, are interested and possess of time.
This is an artistic group which uses humour as one of its communicative
tools. The scenery is set for a really deep discussion. The stars are in a
favorable constellation, and the flight of the eagles augurs great advances.

2. Subject of the Debate
There is an idiomatic expression in German: “um des Kaisers Bart streiten”.
To discuss the beard of the Emperor has become a synonym for uselessly
debating such things, about which no one knows anything, and there is no
way to come to a clarification. Even if there were a way of verification of
hypotheses, the results would be of no value, because there is no real
consequence attached to either of possibly many results of the debate.
(Kaiser Frederic I, drowned in 1190 during a crusade, was known South of
the Alps as the Red-Bearded, Barbarossa, but not North of the Alps. Much
research has been dedicated to the controversy.)
Let us use this etalon of scientific debate for our own purposes, too.
After all, we do not know what information is, how it is interdependent
with energy, what forms can it have, and how much these forms contrast
among each other, and what the meaning of information is. We similarly have
no idea, whether information is present in the whole or in the parts of the
whole, and if so, by which methods and rules. Actually, even questions of
reality, objectivity, interpersonally understandably communicating about
the subject emerge, as it could well have been that the Emperor had no
beard at all. We propose to use for the discussion of the concept of
information the patterns of debate relating to the beard of the Emperor.

3. Clarification of the Meanings of the Terms Used
Unfortunately, the strict discipline kept by the Server at Zaragoza
University, one can not include drawings and illustrations in his
contributions to FIS. This is why I have to refer to a Figure in Wikipedia:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Facial_hair#Styles_of_facial_hair. Let me
propose for the current debate to use the term ‘beard’ for the whole set of
hairs on the figure. This includes the subsets named ‘moustache’ and
‘jawbone’, where moustache means all and every form of hair originating
from above the mouth and jawbone means all forms of sideburns and goatees,
that is, all the hair that follows the bone of the chin. Generally, the
description of the beard agrees to  a + b = c, where c is the complete
facial hair beard), a, b are respectively the hair N of the mouth
(moustache) and the hair in regions W, S, E relative to the mouth
(sideburns & goatees). Here, however, we shall call that part a {N,
/W,S,E/} of the beard, which is less than the other part b of the beard c.
Whether less refers to less mm² or to less mg of hair material shall be
discussed in the sequel.
The beard can grow on any and all places of the plane of the skin. We
create a Mercator map of the skin of the face of the Emperor. Where the
beard does grow, a potential has been realised. If there is no growth, be
it because it had never grown there, or it became shaved away or it fell
out (temporarily), we have a state of Zero. If there is a hair on a spot,
we give one of the symbols {1,2,…,16} to distinguish it against other kinds
of growth. Such, we have 17 degrees of beard, from Zero meaning no beard at
all, thru 1 to 16 which symbils distinguish each a type of hair that has
grown. There are natural processes governing the growth of the beard, and
then there are actions by participants in society, mostly through the
subject himself. One is free, as an Emperor, to grow any and all forms of
combinations of Zeroes and Ones-to-Sixteens. The omnipotence of the Emperor
finds its limits however, by the prescriptions of Nature, which is likewise
free to allow or hinder the growth of hair on any specific spot.

4. Perspective of Discussion
Attempting to do right in a discussion about a subject about which no one
participating in the discussion has admittedly any idea at all, has – as
mentioned – a noble tradition. That attempt has been given up and has
become a subject of ridicule. The failure to come to a result is in itself
a result: that all the avenues investigated so far have proved to be
dead-ends. We know for sure, that all such methods that have tried to
establish a closing statement on the subject of the Beard have proven to be
a failure, at least in their interplay. Therefore, a completely new
approach is needed. How can one propose a solution to a problem of complex
interdependent unknowns otherwise than by referring to the tradition
established by having investigated the beard of the Emperor? We discuss
some behind-the-scenes organisational principles that weave the different
kinds of unknowns into one complex system. These are other words for
asking, which patterns of hair could the Emperor have, and which are
mutually exclusive? Could he have grown spots like a leopard or stripes
like a zebra? What are the rules that determine, which patterns can come
into existence and among such, which are perceived art and beauty?
Please allow me to use the classical perspective, even if it may appear to
you to be arbitrary one, and to re-formulate some of the contributions in
the FIS chatroom of the last few weeks and months, under the aspect that we
seriously and diligently pick up on the work of our predecessors and frame
the whole collection of unknowns as being part of the questions of the
beard of the Emperor.

In order to convince you about my seriousness of transforming our debate
relating to the concept of information into the form used by our
predecessors and forefathers while they discussed the concept of the beard
of the Emperor, I have culled some of snippets of your contributions. We
shall re-phrase some of them to make visible that we are indeed conducting
a discussion here which accords in its syntax to the discussion about the

5. Integrating the Structure of the Discussion about a System of Unknowns
into Contributions
Those who will recognise the verbatim citations of their own contribution I
will have to ask for tolerance for not having chosen a different snippet,
which could have given more succinctly the essence of what they wished to
express. From the others, I have to ask forbearance for having formulated
their ideas in a wording which is not of theirs: here I hope that the
general drift of the idea comes across, independently of the articulation.

Those first things were leptons and quarks. In our logic, we have to come
up first with proto-concepts of a, b based on which all other ideas can be
brought into existence.
a mousetrap will have been activated by larger than it human hands. When a
mouse blunders into it, forces of larger scale than its own will come
crashing down on it. There are hierarchies of levels of realities.
Something that happens on a lower level can trigger a threshold reaction on
a higher level. There is a calculable bonus if a+b=c holds true, even if
the procedure is not conducted.
Contrast is what is the key principle We have spoken long enough about a+b.
Let us now turn our attention to b-a.
There is a duality in it Of course
We need to address redundancy generated by the looping of information when
provided with meaning. The higher-level pictures about what happens in
lower-level reality are in themselves a collection underlying the rules of
a collection. The celebrity gossip has its own syntax, independently of the
The concept of a beard is an anthropogenic construct. There is hirsutismus
and then there is the social convention beard. We give a meaning to the
facts we observe. The meaning allows us to connect inner images to external
observations. We believe the world to be ordered and we know our sentences
to be ordered: maybe we make a catch by the rational net.
The interpersonal domain does not "exist" in the sense that a table may
exist. It remains a construct. In a discussion about experiences with
tables and with pictures of tables, both subjects of the conversation are
equally real and abstract.
The social marketing value of a beard does not depend so much on the beard
itself. It is a cultural assignment, which beard style is of the highest
value. The power of assignment tends to centralize, erecting entry
barriers. The
facts are the first-level reality. Their oddity is a summand for the
second-level reality. That what makes the ‘most’ of a property appears to
have an inbuilt tendency to prefer to generate even more ‘most’, kind of
gainful conversion reinforcing itself.
Working backwards, intersubjective intentionality, to the extent that it is
expressed in human beings has a real existence and must be considered
cognitively objective as well as subjective accordingly. Social conventions
regulate to a high degree the properties of beards, specifically the
relations of the parts to the whole. It can well be that humans share an
archetypic consensus about what is nice, proportionate, fitting.
If we introduce a distinction between ontic and epistemic then we are
assuming a dualistic view in advance, which, for example, I am not in
favour of. Always keep in sight, that art happens on the whole and the
parts are but constituents. If it is organised, a+b=c holds true, and of
this, the relations of a, b to c allow qualifying the relating a, b to each
A beard is a realised potentiality Of course, but of what?

In the present Treatise, we discontinue discussing the man-made and the
man-judged levels of reality: neither do we discuss how the Emperor was
shaved and trimmed, nor do we discuss what the social consequences were of
his beard being such as it was.

<joe.brenner en bluewin.ch> schrieb am Mo., 9. Mai 2022, 12:34:

> Dear Friends and Colleagues,
> Here is a first response to Pedro’s pre-manifesto. As a chemist, I note
> first that for crystallization of something new to occur, you have to have
> the right reactants, but after the reaction is complete, the solution (in
> both senses) must cool down. Here, I would simply like to add to the
> reaction mix the concept of the value of “Eastern” forms of thought:
> openness, vagueness and change. No pontification or claims of eternal
> validity. If anything is certain about our discussions to date, most
> attempts at finding “clear” definitions and other analytic approaches have
> failed. What I would hope to see is an avant-garde that could produce new
> syntheses, combining Pedro’s position, my suggestion and others with an
> also necessary scientific rigor.
> Best,
> Joseph
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