<div dir="auto"><div>Dear Joseph,<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">THANK YOU. In fact, I am working on an essay that should fit well your requirements. </div><div dir="auto">The first part is ready. I will include it here. </div><div dir="auto">The second part introduces a figure of legend, the oriental sage el hakim bin zoltan ibn alfred. He supposedly lived in Akkadia, which lost against Sumer after countless wars. The Akkadians did not want to count uniform units becoming more or less. They counted the group structures of a fixed size assembly. Like sociology.</div><div dir="auto">His main work was a handbook on how to evaluate wives.</div><div dir="auto">We picked up on his work in the form of the cohort of logical primitives. </div><div dir="auto">Cycles connect the elements. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">The third part introduces the concept of <b>bondage</b>. </div><div dir="auto">The connection between the elements that are together in a cycle is a numeric value. This is the basic concept of the bondage. </div><div dir="auto">The imperial bondage exists in the case of the system as it stands (it never stands actually, the collectiotn of all possible bondages is meant),</div><div dir="auto">The royal bondages are the individual <i>from to </i>pairs of reorders (say from <i>[a, b] </i>into <i>[b, a])</i></div><div dir="auto">Spatial bondages relate specifically 3 elements which together tense (weave) up 1 slice of space,</div><div dir="auto">Actual bondages connect elements which are concurrently <i>now, </i></div><div dir="auto">Opportunistic bondages arrive as opportunities to increase or decrease values connected to the cycle (the element can opt out of a bondage if more advantageous connections are available),</div><div dir="auto">And many other types and forms of bondages.</div><div dir="auto">The funny thing is that we do have all the data. They come with the basic package 'natural numbers'.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">The fourth, closing part works with the observation of El hakim : '<i>where caravans paths cross, souks will pop up' </i>and <i>'souks will pop up, where caravans paths cross' </i></div><div dir="auto">to blur/clarify the concept(s) <i>relation, object. </i></div><div dir="auto">This, combined with <i>'type of caravans type of souks', 'type of souks, type of caravans' </i>leads us to the Oriental idea of the souks being indebted to each other, based on their accumulated bondages, evaluated on the imperial grid. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Summary : </div><div dir="auto">We can read off a numeric relation between any elements of the logical habitat. There is a method to assign meaning to the numbers found, this would be a name-giving effort. Then there is the method of verifying the meaning one hypothesises, by checking the numbers. </div><div dir="auto">The main idea is to believe that there exists a natural fact, that elements of the habitat are in bondages with each other. The extent of the mutual bondages is a corollary of the natural numbers. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Phantasy - allegory enough? </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Karl </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Ps it appears that the table format is not carried over on inclusion here in the letter. Sorry, the piece should be ready in a few days. </div><div dir="auto">≠=============================≠</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><div dir="auto">The Ultimate Rhetorical Exercise: The Beard of the Emperor (220428)</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Dear Colleagues,</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">1. Augurs promising</div><div dir="auto">As was remarked before, this group has matured into an interactional community, that comes close to the ideal of friendly exchanges of advanced thoughts. We have open minds, talents, are interested and possess of time. This is an artistic group which uses humour as one of its communicative tools. The scenery is set for a really deep discussion. The stars are in a favorable constellation, and the flight of the eagles augurs great advances.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">2. Subject of the Debate</div><div dir="auto">There is an idiomatic expression in German: “um des Kaisers Bart streiten”. To discuss the beard of the Emperor has become a synonym for uselessly debating such things, about which no one knows anything, and there is no way to come to a clarification. Even if there were a way of verification of hypotheses, the results would be of no value, because there is no real consequence attached to either of possibly many results of the debate. </div><div dir="auto"><span style="white-space:pre"> </span>(Kaiser Frederic I, drowned in 1190 during a crusade, was known South of the Alps as the Red-Bearded, Barbarossa, but not North of the Alps. Much research has been dedicated to the controversy.)</div><div dir="auto">Let us use this etalon of scientific debate for our own purposes, too. After all, we do not know what information is, how it is interdependent with energy, what forms can it have, and how much these forms contrast among each other, and what the meaning of information is. We similarly have no idea, whether information is present in the whole or in the parts of the whole, and if so, by which methods and rules. Actually, even questions of reality, objectivity, interpersonally understandably communicating about the subject emerge, as it could well have been that the Emperor had no beard at all. We propose to use for the discussion of the concept of information the patterns of debate relating to the beard of the Emperor.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">3. Clarification of the Meanings of the Terms Used</div><div dir="auto">Unfortunately, the strict discipline kept by the Server at Zaragoza University, one can not include drawings and illustrations in his contributions to FIS. This is why I have to refer to a Figure in Wikipedia: <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Facial_hair#Styles_of_facial_hair">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Facial_hair#Styles_of_facial_hair</a>. Let me propose for the current debate to use the term ‘beard’ for the whole set of hairs on the figure. This includes the subsets named ‘moustache’ and ‘jawbone’, where moustache means all and every form of hair originating from above the mouth and jawbone means all forms of sideburns and goatees, that is, all the hair that follows the bone of the chin. Generally, the description of the beard agrees to a + b = c, where c is the complete facial hair beard), a, b are respectively the hair N of the mouth (moustache) and the hair in regions W, S, E relative to the mouth (sideburns & goatees). Here, however, we shall call that part a {N, /W,S,E/} of the beard, which is less than the other part b of the beard c. Whether less refers to less mm² or to less mg of hair material shall be discussed in the sequel.</div><div dir="auto">The beard can grow on any and all places of the plane of the skin. We create a Mercator map of the skin of the face of the Emperor. Where the beard does grow, a potential has been realised. If there is no growth, be it because it had never grown there, or it became shaved away or it fell out (temporarily), we have a state of Zero. If there is a hair on a spot, we give one of the symbols {1,2,…,16} to distinguish it against other kinds of growth. Such, we have 17 degrees of beard, from Zero meaning no beard at all, thru 1 to 16 which symbils distinguish each a type of hair that has grown. There are natural processes governing the growth of the beard, and then there are actions by participants in society, mostly through the subject himself. One is free, as an Emperor, to grow any and all forms of combinations of Zeroes and Ones-to-Sixteens. The omnipotence of the Emperor finds its limits however, by the prescriptions of Nature, which is likewise free to allow or hinder the growth of hair on any specific spot. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">4. Perspective of Discussion</div><div dir="auto">Attempting to do right in a discussion about a subject about which no one participating in the discussion has admittedly any idea at all, has – as mentioned – a noble tradition. That attempt has been given up and has become a subject of ridicule. The failure to come to a result is in itself a result: that all the avenues investigated so far have proved to be dead-ends. We know for sure, that all such methods that have tried to establish a closing statement on the subject of the Beard have proven to be a failure, at least in their interplay. Therefore, a completely new approach is needed. How can one propose a solution to a problem of complex interdependent unknowns otherwise than by referring to the tradition established by having investigated the beard of the Emperor? We discuss some behind-the-scenes organisational principles that weave the different kinds of unknowns into one complex system. These are other words for asking, which patterns of hair could the Emperor have, and which are mutually exclusive? Could he have grown spots like a leopard or stripes like a zebra? What are the rules that determine, which patterns can come into existence and among such, which are perceived art and beauty?</div><div dir="auto">Please allow me to use the classical perspective, even if it may appear to you to be arbitrary one, and to re-formulate some of the contributions in the FIS chatroom of the last few weeks and months, under the aspect that we seriously and diligently pick up on the work of our predecessors and frame the whole collection of unknowns as being part of the questions of the beard of the Emperor.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">In order to convince you about my seriousness of transforming our debate relating to the concept of information into the form used by our predecessors and forefathers while they discussed the concept of the beard of the Emperor, I have culled some of snippets of your contributions. We shall re-phrase some of them to make visible that we are indeed conducting a discussion here which accords in its syntax to the discussion about the beard.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">5. Integrating the Structure of the Discussion about a System of Unknowns into Contributions </div><div dir="auto">Those who will recognise the verbatim citations of their own contribution I will have to ask for tolerance for not having chosen a different snippet, which could have given more succinctly the essence of what they wished to express. From the others, I have to ask forbearance for having formulated their ideas in a wording which is not of theirs: here I hope that the general drift of the idea comes across, independently of the articulation.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Those first things were leptons and quarks.<span style="white-space:pre"> </span>In our logic, we have to come up first with proto-concepts of a, b based on which all other ideas can be brought into existence.</div><div dir="auto">a mousetrap will have been activated by larger than it human hands. When a mouse blunders into it, forces of larger scale than its own will come crashing down on it.<span style="white-space:pre"> </span>There are hierarchies of levels of realities. Something that happens on a lower level can trigger a threshold reaction on a higher level. There is a calculable bonus if a+b=c holds true, even if the procedure is not conducted.</div><div dir="auto">Contrast is what is the key principle<span style="white-space:pre"> </span>We have spoken long enough about a+b. Let us now turn our attention to b-a.</div><div dir="auto">There is a duality in it<span style="white-space:pre"> </span>Of course</div><div dir="auto">We need to address redundancy generated by the looping of information when provided with meaning.<span style="white-space:pre"> </span>The higher-level pictures about what happens in lower-level reality are in themselves a collection underlying the rules of a collection. The celebrity gossip has its own syntax, independently of the facts.</div><div dir="auto">The concept of a beard is an anthropogenic construct. There is hirsutismus and then there is the social convention beard.<span style="white-space:pre"> </span>We give a meaning to the facts we observe. The meaning allows us to connect inner images to external observations. We believe the world to be ordered and we know our sentences to be ordered: maybe we make a catch by the rational net.</div><div dir="auto">The interpersonal domain does not "exist" in the sense that a table may exist. It remains a construct.<span style="white-space:pre"> </span>In a discussion about experiences with tables and with pictures of tables, both subjects of the conversation are equally real and abstract.</div><div dir="auto">The social marketing value of a beard does not depend so much on the beard itself. It is a cultural assignment, which beard style is of the highest value. The power of assignment tends to centralize, erecting entry barriers.<span style="white-space:pre"> </span>The facts are the first-level reality. Their oddity is a summand for the second-level reality. That what makes the ‘most’ of a property appears to have an inbuilt tendency to prefer to generate even more ‘most’, kind of gainful conversion reinforcing itself.</div><div dir="auto">Working backwards, intersubjective intentionality, to the extent that it is expressed in human beings has a real existence and must be considered cognitively objective as well as subjective accordingly.<span style="white-space:pre"> </span>Social conventions regulate to a high degree the properties of beards, specifically the relations of the parts to the whole. It can well be that humans share an archetypic consensus about what is nice, proportionate, fitting.</div><div dir="auto">If we introduce a distinction between ontic and epistemic then we are assuming a dualistic view in advance, which, for example, I am not in favour of. <span style="white-space:pre"> </span>Always keep in sight, that art happens on the whole and the parts are but constituents. If it is organised, a+b=c holds true, and of this, the relations of a, b to c allow qualifying the relating a, b to each other.</div><div dir="auto">A beard is a realised potentiality<span style="white-space:pre"> </span>Of course, but of what?</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">In the present Treatise, we discontinue discussing the man-made and the man-judged levels of reality: neither do we discuss how the Emperor was shaved and trimmed, nor do we discuss what the social consequences were of his beard being such as it was.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr"> <<a href="mailto:joe.brenner@bluewin.ch">joe.brenner@bluewin.ch</a>> schrieb am Mo., 9. Mai 2022, 12:34:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-US" link="#0563C1" vlink="#954F72" style="word-wrap:break-word"><div class="m_1824544911838765861WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal">Dear Friends and Colleagues,<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify">Here is a first response to Pedro’s pre-manifesto. As a chemist, I note first that for crystallization of something new to occur, you have to have the right reactants, but after the reaction is complete, the solution (in both senses) must cool down. Here, I would simply like to add to the reaction mix the concept of the value of “Eastern” forms of thought: openness, vagueness and change. No pontification or claims of eternal validity. If anything is certain about our discussions to date, most attempts at finding “clear” definitions and other analytic approaches have failed. What I would hope to see is an avant-garde that could produce new syntheses, combining Pedro’s position, my suggestion and others with an also necessary scientific rigor.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify">Best,<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify">Joseph<u></u><u></u></p></div></div>_______________________________________________<br>
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