[Fis] defining information

Krassimir Markov markov at foibg.com
Tue Mar 17 20:55:25 CET 2020

Dear Pedro, Emanuel and FIS Colleagues,

1.Thank you for your remarks and interesting ideas.
Especially those which are aimed to make our communication possible in such situation like this in the world now.
I have no information about plans and possibilities of our Brazilian colleagues. So, please write more details.

2. I agree with Emanuel that: 
The proposed definition of information must be followed by a suggestion of assets that make it (the information) visible, tangible, palpable. 
It was my goal when I had proposed to prepare one or more test beds.

3. According to this, now I want to invite you to see my preliminary proposal of a sample test bed and evaluation tips for testing information definitions and theories.
It is simple but, I hope, contains the main objects and their interactions, which participate in the (humans’!) information processes.
Of course, it is only one from many possible.
If given definition or theory is not applicable to this test bed, maybe it is possible another one to be proposed.

Please see 

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I whish you to be HEALTHY, HEALTHY, HEALTHY, .... !!!

Friendly greetings

From: Emanuel Diamant 
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2020 5:16 PM
To: 'Pedro C. Marijuan' 
Cc: fis at listas.unizar.es 
Subject: [Fis] defining information


Dear Pedro, Dear FIS colleagues, 


I do not share the general excitement about the revitalization of the FIS discussion on information definition. 

I am not sure that the principle of “three messages per week” or the ITHEA Cloud Forum, with an  

unlimited number of posts and 1M-large attachments, is our main problem. I think that our discussion (again and again) violates the basic principle of any scientific discourse - the IF-THEN principle - according to which each hypothetical assumption is followed by a suggestion what stems from it, where, and how these expectations could be discerned and observed. If I remember right, Terence and Gordana on several previous occasions have addressed this issue, but their call has remained unanswered.

However, refreshing the definitions of information we cannot continue to ignore the IF-THEN rule requirement - How does the defined information look like, how it is represented, what is its real form? The proposed definition of information must be followed by a suggestion of assets that make it (the information) visible, tangible, palpable. 

Only this kind of information definitions is being urgently needed in the worldwide Human Brain Research programme. Or in the overhyped global Artificial Intelligence race. In both, Artificial Neural Networks (which are data processing number crunching devices) are supposed to emulate human brain biological neurons (which are pure information processing devices). Both fail to fulfill their promises, but do not understand for what reason and why. The current FIS discussion certainly will not help them.

Regards, Emanuel. 



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