[Fis] 10 Principles

Tue Jul 14 15:38:26 CEST 2020

Dear Pedro and  FIS Colleagues,

I endorse this latest statement of principles. I suggest only that in 4, the
phrase “among adaptive life-cycles” be deleted or replaced by “organisms”. A
‘life-cycle’ is an abstraction that cannot and does not in and of itself
exchange information.

As to Koichiro’s comment, I propose restating it positively as follows: This
observation can never stand alone since “all colleagues” ARE inhabitants
INSIDE the LIFE sphere.

Thank you and kind regards,

Joseph

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From: Fis [mailto:fis-bounces at listas.unizar.es] On Behalf Of Pedro C.
Marijuan
Sent: mardi, 14 juillet 2020 14:30
To: 'fis'
Subject: Re: [Fis] 10 Principles

Dear List, 

Thanks for the comments. I have tried to be more inclusive in the new point
2. 

Also, Point 1 has been slightly modified reminding an old comment from Lars
(that info always goes "by contact")

Other changes, in point 3 now, can be justified as follows: 

The fact that biological self-production either in bacteria or in organisms
is accompanied respectively by a "bacterial signaling system" or by a
"central nervous system" tells us that the way of life, the adaptation to
the niche, always needs the development of ad hoc informational detectors.
Otherwise the life cycle becomes "blind", truncated and unable to advance
towards completion. At the same time, inside every cell, inside every
organism, there is an internal information flow related to its own
self-production. For instance in a living cell, the self-production may
imply: expression, copying, translation, genetic code, modification codes,
degradation... While the signaling flow may imply: signal generation,
emission, transmission channel, reception, decoding/processing, meaning
elaboration, response...  Both information flows, the external and the
internal, become intertwined, densely mixed, at all scales of biological
organization. Let us further emphasize point 1, for all these information
processes imply a physical contact, as they always have to impinge on the
system receptors or sensory surfaces. 

So, points 1 to 5 could read as follows:

1. Information as such: distinction of an "adjacent" difference.

2. Information processes: organized action upon distinctions collected into
structures, patterns, sequences, messages, or flows.

3. Integrated information processes of life: information flows, both from
the external signaling environment and from the internal productive
environment, are  tightly integrated along the advancement of the adaptive
life cycle --they regularly anticipate, shape, and mix up with the
accompanying energy flows. 

4. Biological complexity: communication/information exchanges among adaptive
life-cycles underlie the complexity of biological organization at all
scales.

5. Biological cognition: cognition, meaning and knowledge can be identified
within the integrated signaling/productive molecular mechanisms that
adaptively transform the cell-cycle trajectory as well as in the
action/perception cycle of central nervous systems. 

The other 5 points regarding human & social aspects may be discussed later
on. 

All the best

--Pedro

El 13/07/2020 a las 2:01, Koichiro Matsuno escribió:

On Monday, July 13, 2020 5:14 AM, Krassimir Markov wrote:  I am not sure
that all colleagues agree that information does not exist out of the LIFE
sphere.

This observation should stand alone only when “all colleagues” are the
inhabitants outside the LIFE sphere.

Best regards,

Koichiro Matsuno

From: Fis  <mailto:fis-bounces at listas.unizar.es>
<fis-bounces at listas.unizar.es> On Behalf Of Krassimir Markov
Sent: Monday, July 13, 2020 5:14 AM
To: 'fis'  <mailto:fis at listas.unizar.es> <fis at listas.unizar.es>
Subject: Re: [Fis] 10 Principles

Dear Pedro and FIS Colleagues,

I see that maybe INFORMATION and LIFE are interconnected.

Unfortunately, I am not sure that all colleagues agree that information does
not exist out of the LIFE sphere.

Because of this, the first point I expect to reflect the correspondence
between information and life.

Friendly greetings

Krassimir

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