[Fis] Information Science and the City. Trans-in-form-action

[Francesco Rizzo]

Caro Joseph,
desidero precisare che la parola composta che io uso è tras-in-form-azione,
non trans-informazione. Questo per evitare almeno un equivoco.
Buona domenica.
Francesco.


2014-06-07 12:05 GMT+02:00 Francesco Rizzo <13francesco.rizzo at gmail.com>:

> Caro Joseph,
> vedo che il mio ultimo messaggio è stato un poco raffazzonato. In ogni
> caso non penso che sia possibile soddisfare la Tua  legittima curiosità
> mediante brevi scritti. Ed è per questo che inizialmente mi sono permesso
> di suggerire la lettura di tre libri. Naturalmente, mi farò risentire anche
> per motivare, se serve, il perché "entropia" significa dis-informazione e
> "neg-entropia" informazione. Interessante è a questo proposito la lettura
> di "Che cos'è la vita?" di Erwin Schrodinger (con due puntini sopra la o).
> Grazie soprattutto per la Tua verve critica che apprezzo molto.
> Saluti.
> Francesco.
>
>
> 2014-06-07 8:53 GMT+02:00 Joseph Brenner <joe.brenner at bluewin.ch>:
>
>  Dear Francesco and All,
>>
>> Here is a rough version of Francesco's comment. I think it deserves
>> further critical comments, for example, on the way it relates information
>> and cultural value and the co-generation of entropy and negentropy, usually
>> implicit but not spelled out.
>>
>> Thanks for your words. In the early eighties I introduced the concept of
>> information-process (the action of giving or taking form in time). In "The
>> Economics of Cultural Heritage" (1983), which became "Economics of an
>> “architectural-environmental heritage," in 1989 (Franco Angeli, Milan ),
>> in which, inter alia, I define a negentropic cultural value. I also applied
>> to the city, during a course on urban and regional economics at the Faculty
>> of Architecture of Palermo, in 1984-85, the compound word
>> trans-form-in-action (action of giving or taking form over time that can
>> /not/ not trans-form) to the city, But what matters most is to have
>> conceived the activity of economic production (in general) as a process of
>> trans-information whose "input" (matter, energy and information) and
>> "output" (matter, energy and information) are both negentropy and entropy.
>> So my theory of value (which applies not only to the economy in the strict
>> sense) can be defined in simple-combination of creative energy and
>> information and, in a more complex triangle of the three surpluses of
>> negentropy: thermodynamic or natural, eco-biological and
>> cultural-historical. So, the marginal utility theory of value of
>> neoclassical economists is outdated and (should be) thrown to the winds. In
>> fact, the "new economy" is a psycho-physical, semiotic-hermeneutic and
>> biological technology sub-episteme. In summary, I really think a new
>> science of economics or economics of science has been invented. For Pedro’s
>> re-discussion of information encouraged me to send the above message
>> (without wishing to take any undue credit for myself).
>>
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Joseph
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> *From:* Francesco Rizzo <13francesco.rizzo at gmail.com>
>> *To:* Joseph Brenner <joe.brenner at bluewin.ch>
>> *Cc:* Pedro C. Marijuan <pcmarijuan.iacs at aragon.es> ;
>> fis at listas.unizar.es
>> *Sent:* Friday, June 06, 2014 12:37 PM
>> *Subject:* Re: [Fis] Information Science and the City.
>> Trans-in-form-action
>>
>> Caro Joseph,
>> grazie per le Tue parole. All'inizio degli anni Ottanta ho introdotto il
>> concetto-processo di informazione (azione del dare o prendere forma nel
>> tempo) In "Economia dei beni culturali"(1983), divenuto "Economia del
>> patrimonio architettonico-ambientale" nel 1989 (FrancoAngeli, Milano), in
>> cui fra l'altro definisco i beni culturali neg-entropici. Inoltre ho
>> impiegato la parola composta tras-in-form-azione (azione del dare o
>> prendere forma nel tempo che non può non tras-formarsi) alla città durante
>> lo svolgimento del corso di economia urbana e regionale nella Facoltà di
>> Architettura di Palermo, nell'A.a. 1984-85. Ma quel che conta di più è
>> l'avere concepito l'attività di produzione economica (in senso generale)
>> come un processo di tras-informazione i cui "input" (materia, energia e
>> informazione) e "output" (materia, energia e informazione) sono
>> neg-entropia ed entropia. Quindi la mia teoria del valore (che non vale
>> solo per l'economia in senso stretto) può definirsi- in modo semplice-
>> combinazione creativa di energia e informazione e, in modo più complesso,
>> triangolo dei tre surplus o neg-entropie: termodinamici o naturali,
>> eco-biologici e storico-culturali. Sicché la teoria del valore-utilità
>> marginale degli economisti neoclassici è sorpassata e da buttare alle
>> ortiche. Difatti la "Nuova economia" è in-centrata sull'episteme
>> psico-fisica,semiotico-ermeneutica e biologico-tecnologica. Insomma, penso
>> davvero  di avere inventato una nuova scienza dell'economia o  economia
>> della scienza. Per questo appena Pedro ha ri-parlato di informazione  sono
>> stato stimolato a mandare il messaggio precedente.
>> Ribadisco, però, che non intendo menare alcun vanto.
>> Cordiali saluti.
>> Francesco Rizzo.
>>
>>
>>
>> 2014-06-06 9:49 GMT+02:00 Joseph Brenner <joe.brenner at bluewin.ch>:
>>
>>>  Dear Francesco,
>>>
>>> Thank you for a most interesting overview of your work. What I would be
>>> most interested in would be a summary of the real processes underlying
>>> "trans-in-form-action" and its relation to information - and
>>> "trans-information". The use of the prefix 'trans-' in transdisciplinarity
>>> is intended (by Nicolescu) to refer to something that lies within, between
>>> and beyond specific disciplines. Another non-trivial use of 'trans-' was
>>> made by Pedro.
>>>
>>> (Some 14 years ago, I defined 'trans-creation' as the creation of
>>> artistic documents or objects with some social relevance, that is, to the
>>> common good. It is important to understand, in this connection, how
>>> information carries such relevance.)
>>>
>>> If you prefer to answer in Italian rather than English, unless there is
>>> someone else in the group with Italian-language skills, I would undertake
>>> to make a rough translation (or edit a machine-translation).
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> Joseph
>>>
>>> (Joseph E. Brenner, Ph.D.)
>>> VP-Inter-and Transdisciplinarity, International Society for Information
>>> Science)
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> *From:* Francesco Rizzo <13francesco.rizzo at gmail.com>
>>> *To:* Pedro C. Marijuan <pcmarijuan.iacs at aragon.es>
>>> *Cc:* fis at listas.unizar.es
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, June 05, 2014 4:31 PM
>>> *Subject:* Re: [Fis] Information Science and the City
>>>
>>> Caro Pedro e cari tutti,
>>> mi permetto di segnalarVi che la mia "Nuova economia" è basata sul
>>>  processo di tras-in-form-azione. Si cfr. a tal proposito, fra i tanti
>>> altri:
>>> -Rizzo F., ""Valore e valutazioni. La scienza dell'economia o l'economia
>>> della scienza", FancoAngeli, Milano 1999;
>>> -Rizzo F., "Nuova economia. Felicità del lavoro creativo e della
>>> conservazione della natura. Infelicità della speculazione finanziaria",
>>> Aracne editrice, Roma, 2013;
>>> -Rizzo F., "Incontro d'amore tra il cuore della fede e l'intelligenza
>>> della scienza. Un salto nel cielo", Aracne editrice, Roma 2014.
>>> Ho dedicato mezzo secolo di ricerca per ri-comprendere e ri-significare
>>> la scienza economica. Quello che scrivo non  è una presunzione.
>>> Auguri per un'intensa ripresa e grazie.
>>> Francesco Rizzo.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 2014-06-05 14:25 GMT+02:00 Pedro C. Marijuan <pcmarijuan.iacs at aragon.es>
>>> :
>>>
>>>> Dear FISers,
>>>>
>>>> Among the many interesting themes where the information science
>>>> perspective may provide useful orientations, cities are one of the most
>>>> singular. A recent work by Michel Batty on the New Science of Cities (2013,
>>>> MIT) makes a lot of connections with our oft discussed info topics. A
>>>> Communication Theory of Urban Growth was developed by Richard Meier (1962);
>>>> a fluxes perspective was already attempted by Patrick Geddes (1949). In
>>>> essence I have found that the idea of information flows and material flows
>>>> as catching and intertwining each other, with their highly different
>>>> regimes, heterogeneity and energy contents, appears as an important focus
>>>> in order to better understand the globalized city. Scaling is one of the
>>>> essential concepts...
>>>>
>>>> I am not aware that scaling has been applied to the informational
>>>> analysis itself (obviously it is the cornerstone of self-similarity). What
>>>> I mean is that a micro-level of communication analysis may be quite
>>>> different from the meso-level, and the from macro-level. Thinking in the
>>>> human case (biologically it could make sense too) the micro level is
>>>> dominated by syntaxis, by a Shannonian type of analysis on messages emitted
>>>> from a sourced to a receiver. The meso level contains meaning, value
>>>> (fitness), purpose, and in general it implies the communication associated
>>>> to the behavioral episodes and living rhythms of individuals. While in the
>>>> macro level, many individuals' actions, works, products, etc. are
>>>> aggregated into fluxes or flows, basically of two kinds those devoted to
>>>> the material (self-production) and those carrying the info stuff devoted to
>>>> communication; then it invites analysis of network science, operations
>>>> research, economic efficiency, etc., and of course the direct flow
>>>> perspective as Bejan and Peder (2011) have attempted in one of the most
>>>> interesting theories on self-constructing flow systems. Depending on the
>>>> information perspective in which we observe human communication, we will
>>>> need one or another lens to better make sense of what is happening.
>>>>
>>>> My impression is that a more mature info science could be quite helpful
>>>> in this new field of urban development science --most people nowadays are
>>>> living in cities. Top down planning will fail if it is does not match with
>>>> the bottom up processes, both in communication and self-production aspects.
>>>> Keeping an adequate social flow of information, a well-mixed regime of
>>>> communication, is the essence of democracy. The contemporary "epidemics of
>>>> loneliness" for instance may be due among other social and demographic
>>>> causes to failures in bureaucratic high level planning...
>>>>
>>>> best ---Pedro
>>>>
>>>> PS. After the nasty computer crash months ago, we should try to enliven
>>>> the list--shouldn't we?
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> -------------------------------------------------
>>>> Pedro C. Marijuán
>>>> Grupo de Bioinformación / Bioinformation Group
>>>> Instituto Aragonés de Ciencias de la Salud
>>>> Centro de Investigación Biomédica de Aragón (CIBA)
>>>> Avda. San Juan Bosco, 13, planta X
>>>> 50009 Zaragoza, Spain
>>>> Tfno. +34 976 71 3526 (& 6818)
>>>> pcmarijuan.iacs at aragon.es
>>>> http://sites.google.com/site/pedrocmarijuan/
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