[Fis] Information Science and the City. Trans-in-form-action
Rafael Capurro
rafael at capurro.de
Sun Jun 8 16:05:47 CEST 2014
Caro Francesco,
your trans-in-form-azione echoes my paths of thinking
http://www.triple-c.at/index.php/tripleC/article/view/113/116
that started in 1976 http://www.capurro.de/info.html when
'in-form-azione' was a very alien word for philosophers
auguri
Rafael
> Caro Joseph,
> desidero precisare che la parola composta che io uso è
> tras-in-form-azione, non trans-informazione. Questo per evitare almeno
> un equivoco.
> Buona domenica.
> Francesco.
>
>
> 2014-06-07 12:05 GMT+02:00 Francesco Rizzo
> <13francesco.rizzo at gmail.com <mailto:13francesco.rizzo at gmail.com>>:
>
> Caro Joseph,
> vedo che il mio ultimo messaggio è stato un poco raffazzonato. In
> ogni caso non penso che sia possibile soddisfare la Tua legittima
> curiosità mediante brevi scritti. Ed è per questo che inizialmente
> mi sono permesso di suggerire la lettura di tre libri.
> Naturalmente, mi farò risentire anche per motivare, se serve, il
> perché "entropia" significa dis-informazione e "neg-entropia"
> informazione. Interessante è a questo proposito la lettura di "Che
> cos'è la vita?" di Erwin Schrodinger (con due puntini sopra la o).
> Grazie soprattutto per la Tua verve critica che apprezzo molto.
> Saluti.
> Francesco.
>
>
> 2014-06-07 8:53 GMT+02:00 Joseph Brenner <joe.brenner at bluewin.ch
> <mailto:joe.brenner at bluewin.ch>>:
>
> Dear Francesco and All,
> Here is a rough version of Francesco's comment. I think it
> deserves further critical comments, for example, on the way it
> relates information and cultural value and the co-generation
> of entropy and negentropy, usually implicit but not spelled out.
> Thanks for your words. In the early eighties I introduced the
> concept of information-process (the action of giving or taking
> form in time). In "The Economics of Cultural Heritage" (1983),
> which became "Economics of an "architectural-environmental
> heritage," in 1989 (Franco Angeli, Milan ), in which, inter
> alia, I define a negentropic cultural value. I also applied to
> the city, during a course on urban and regional economics at
> the Faculty of Architecture of Palermo, in 1984-85, the
> compound word trans-form-in-action (action of giving or taking
> form over time that can /not/ not trans-form) to the city, But
> what matters most is to have conceived the activity of
> economic production (in general) as a process of
> trans-information whose "input" (matter, energy and
> information) and "output" (matter, energy and information) are
> both negentropy and entropy. So my theory of value (which
> applies not only to the economy in the strict sense) can be
> defined in simple-combination of creative energy and
> information and, in a more complex triangle of the three
> surpluses of negentropy: thermodynamic or natural,
> eco-biological and cultural-historical. So, the marginal
> utility theory of value of neoclassical economists is outdated
> and (should be) thrown to the winds. In fact, the "new
> economy" is a psycho-physical, semiotic-hermeneutic and
> biological technology sub-episteme. In summary, I really think
> a new science of economics or economics of science has been
> invented. For Pedro's re-discussion of information encouraged
> me to send the above message (without wishing to take any
> undue credit for myself).
>
> Best,
> Joseph
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Francesco Rizzo <mailto:13francesco.rizzo at gmail.com>
> *To:* Joseph Brenner <mailto:joe.brenner at bluewin.ch>
> *Cc:* Pedro C. Marijuan <mailto:pcmarijuan.iacs at aragon.es>
> ; fis at listas.unizar.es <mailto:fis at listas.unizar.es>
> *Sent:* Friday, June 06, 2014 12:37 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [Fis] Information Science and the City.
> Trans-in-form-action
>
> Caro Joseph,
> grazie per le Tue parole. All'inizio degli anni Ottanta ho
> introdotto il concetto-processo di informazione (azione
> del dare o prendere forma nel tempo) In "Economia dei beni
> culturali"(1983), divenuto "Economia del patrimonio
> architettonico-ambientale" nel 1989 (FrancoAngeli,
> Milano), in cui fra l'altro definisco i beni culturali
> neg-entropici. Inoltre ho impiegato la parola composta
> tras-in-form-azione (azione del dare o prendere forma nel
> tempo che non può non tras-formarsi) alla città durante lo
> svolgimento del corso di economia urbana e regionale nella
> Facoltà di Architettura di Palermo, nell'A.a. 1984-85. Ma
> quel che conta di più è l'avere concepito l'attività di
> produzione economica (in senso generale) come un processo
> di tras-informazione i cui "input" (materia, energia e
> informazione) e "output" (materia, energia e informazione)
> sono neg-entropia ed entropia. Quindi la mia teoria del
> valore (che non vale solo per l'economia in senso stretto)
> può definirsi- in modo semplice- combinazione creativa di
> energia e informazione e, in modo più complesso, triangolo
> dei tre surplus o neg-entropie: termodinamici o naturali,
> eco-biologici e storico-culturali. Sicché la teoria del
> valore-utilità marginale degli economisti neoclassici è
> sorpassata e da buttare alle ortiche. Difatti la "Nuova
> economia" è in-centrata sull'episteme
> psico-fisica,semiotico-ermeneutica e
> biologico-tecnologica. Insomma, penso davvero di avere
> inventato una nuova scienza dell'economia o economia
> della scienza. Per questo appena Pedro ha ri-parlato di
> informazione sono stato stimolato a mandare il messaggio
> precedente.
> Ribadisco, però, che non intendo menare alcun vanto.
> Cordiali saluti.
> Francesco Rizzo.
>
>
>
> 2014-06-06 9:49 GMT+02:00 Joseph Brenner
> <joe.brenner at bluewin.ch <mailto:joe.brenner at bluewin.ch>>:
>
> Dear Francesco,
> Thank you for a most interesting overview of your
> work. What I would be most interested in would be a
> summary of the real processes underlying
> "trans-in-form-action" and its relation to information
> - and "trans-information". The use of the prefix
> 'trans-' in transdisciplinarity is intended (by
> Nicolescu) to refer to something that lies within,
> between and beyond specific disciplines. Another
> non-trivial use of 'trans-' was made by Pedro.
> (Some 14 years ago, I defined 'trans-creation' as the
> creation of artistic documents or objects with some
> social relevance, that is, to the common good. It is
> important to understand, in this connection, how
> information carries such relevance.)
> If you prefer to answer in Italian rather than
> English, unless there is someone else in the group
> with Italian-language skills, I would undertake to
> make a rough translation (or edit a machine-translation).
> Best regards,
> Joseph
> (Joseph E. Brenner, Ph.D.)
> VP-Inter-and Transdisciplinarity, International
> Society for Information Science)
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Francesco Rizzo
> <mailto:13francesco.rizzo at gmail.com>
> *To:* Pedro C. Marijuan
> <mailto:pcmarijuan.iacs at aragon.es>
> *Cc:* fis at listas.unizar.es
> <mailto:fis at listas.unizar.es>
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 05, 2014 4:31 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [Fis] Information Science and the City
>
> Caro Pedro e cari tutti,
> mi permetto di segnalarVi che la mia "Nuova
> economia" è basata sul processo di
> tras-in-form-azione. Si cfr. a tal proposito, fra
> i tanti altri:
> -Rizzo F., ""Valore e valutazioni. La scienza
> dell'economia o l'economia della scienza",
> FancoAngeli, Milano 1999;
> -Rizzo F., "Nuova economia. Felicità del lavoro
> creativo e della conservazione della natura.
> Infelicità della speculazione finanziaria", Aracne
> editrice, Roma, 2013;
> -Rizzo F., "Incontro d'amore tra il cuore della
> fede e l'intelligenza della scienza. Un salto nel
> cielo", Aracne editrice, Roma 2014.
> Ho dedicato mezzo secolo di ricerca per
> ri-comprendere e ri-significare la scienza
> economica. Quello che scrivo non è una presunzione.
> Auguri per un'intensa ripresa e grazie.
> Francesco Rizzo.
>
>
>
> 2014-06-05 14:25 GMT+02:00 Pedro C. Marijuan
> <pcmarijuan.iacs at aragon.es
> <mailto:pcmarijuan.iacs at aragon.es>>:
>
> Dear FISers,
>
> Among the many interesting themes where the
> information science perspective may provide
> useful orientations, cities are one of the
> most singular. A recent work by Michel Batty
> on the New Science of Cities (2013, MIT) makes
> a lot of connections with our oft discussed
> info topics. A Communication Theory of Urban
> Growth was developed by Richard Meier (1962);
> a fluxes perspective was already attempted by
> Patrick Geddes (1949). In essence I have found
> that the idea of information flows and
> material flows as catching and intertwining
> each other, with their highly different
> regimes, heterogeneity and energy contents,
> appears as an important focus in order to
> better understand the globalized city. Scaling
> is one of the essential concepts...
>
> I am not aware that scaling has been applied
> to the informational analysis itself
> (obviously it is the cornerstone of
> self-similarity). What I mean is that a
> micro-level of communication analysis may be
> quite different from the meso-level, and the
> from macro-level. Thinking in the human case
> (biologically it could make sense too) the
> micro level is dominated by syntaxis, by a
> Shannonian type of analysis on messages
> emitted from a sourced to a receiver. The meso
> level contains meaning, value (fitness),
> purpose, and in general it implies the
> communication associated to the behavioral
> episodes and living rhythms of individuals.
> While in the macro level, many individuals'
> actions, works, products, etc. are aggregated
> into fluxes or flows, basically of two kinds
> those devoted to the material
> (self-production) and those carrying the info
> stuff devoted to communication; then it
> invites analysis of network science,
> operations research, economic efficiency,
> etc., and of course the direct flow
> perspective as Bejan and Peder (2011) have
> attempted in one of the most interesting
> theories on self-constructing flow systems.
> Depending on the information perspective in
> which we observe human communication, we will
> need one or another lens to better make sense
> of what is happening.
>
> My impression is that a more mature info
> science could be quite helpful in this new
> field of urban development science --most
> people nowadays are living in cities. Top down
> planning will fail if it is does not match
> with the bottom up processes, both in
> communication and self-production aspects.
> Keeping an adequate social flow of
> information, a well-mixed regime of
> communication, is the essence of democracy.
> The contemporary "epidemics of loneliness" for
> instance may be due among other social and
> demographic causes to failures in bureaucratic
> high level planning...
>
> best ---Pedro
>
> PS. After the nasty computer crash months ago,
> we should try to enliven the list--shouldn't we?
>
> --
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> Pedro C. Marijuán
> Grupo de Bioinformación / Bioinformation Group
> Instituto Aragonés de Ciencias de la Salud
> Centro de Investigación Biomédica de Aragón (CIBA)
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> 50009 Zaragoza, Spain
> Tfno. +34 976 71 3526
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