[Fis] Emotional Sentience - Closing Questions & Comments - theory and being in the world
Eric Werner
eric.werner at oarf.org
Thu Jun 6 11:12:45 CEST 2024
Dear Kung Fu Kate,
One reason the problem of integrating emotions into a theory at all is
that emotions are directly experienced by a subject, me for example and
you I assume.
Any theory of something is "of something". The skeptic can always say, I
fell and have sensations, but you may not.
To make emotions part of a theoretical formal system gives them a third
party ontology where the emotion or sensation disappears into a
operational, transformative context.
I try to link emotions with a formal theory of intentional states, but
this reduces emotions to utility functions or some other
evaluative-economic von Neumanian conctruct.
To be alive and be conscious of self and body via direct sensations is
an oddity that has plagued philosophers and all the related fields of
science, Reduction or direct one-to-one correspondence between
sensation and chemical-physical process again puts emotion in a being
observed but not experienced perspective.
If souls or an ontological construct that have direct experience when
inhabiting a body is an attempted solution, then how do they work?
It is really a mess for formal theorists.
-Eric
On 6/4/24 9:57 AM, Francesco Rizzo wrote:
> Dear Kate,
> - existence and knowledge are based on the process of
> trans-in-form-action: forma(tive) action which transforms over time;
> - this applies to everyone, lay people and otherwise;
> - Given that there a "field of form" for every thing, living being and
> person, the value of the form or the form of the value is
> synchronically important.
> - It is not possible to determine the "most probable value of"
> (Gaussian distribution), but the most or less probable (see "The
> judgment of value", 1972).
> - Following Hegel's "Science of logic" (quantity, quality,
> measurement) it is possible to evaluate qualitative quantities or
> quantitative qualities in emotional-rational terms.
> -Fuzzy logic, semiotic-hermeneutical approach, Taoism (biological Yin
> and Yang), etc., are decisive, but absolutely indeterministic.
> -My theory of value is hexagonal (a good is worth because it is
> beautiful, good, useful, true, right and legal).
> - In short, it is only possible to calculate normal values from a
> subjective point of view.
> Thank you very much.
> Francesco
>
> Cara Kate,
> - l'esistenza e la conoscenza sono basate sul processo di
> tras-in-form-azione:
> azione forma(tiva) che si trasforma nel tempo;
> - questo vale per tutti, laici e non;
> - Posto che v'ha un "campo di forma" per ogni cosa, essere vivente e
> persona,
> è sincronicamente importante il valore della forma o la forma del valore.
> - Non è possibile determinare il "più probabile valore di"
> (distribuzione gaussiana),
> ma i valori più o meno probabili (cfr. "Il giudizio di valore", 1972).
> -Seguendo la "Scienza della logica" di Hegel (quantità, qualità,
> misura) è possibile
> valutare quantità qualitative o qualità quantitative in termini
> emo-ra-zionali.
> -Logica Fuzzy, Approccio semiotico-ermeneutico, Taoismo (Yin e Yang
> biologici), etc.,
> sono decisivi, ma assolutamente indeterministici.
> -La mia teoria del valore è esagonale (un bene vale perchè è bello,
> buono, utile, vero,
> giusto e legale).
> - In estrema sintesi è possibile solo calcolare valori normali dal
> punto di vista soggettivo.
> Grazie di cuore.
> Francesco
>
>
>
> Il giorno sab 1 giu 2024 alle ore 21:14 Katherine Peil Kauffman
> <ktpeil at outlook.com> ha scritto:
>
> Dear Pedro et al,
>
> Thank you all once again for the splendid discussion. (Those both
> here and the many “back-stage”.)
> By way of final closure I’d like to pose two general questions to
> each of you:
>
> 1) What would you recommend as your best general /definition of
> information/ for the lay public?
> 2) What can information science tell us about “/evaluative”/
> information?
>
> Pedro, I hope life is treating you and yours with the very best of
> all possible outcomes. While your absence has definitely altered
> the dynamics of this discussion, it turns out that there are many
> “Scarecrows" that I will miss most upon returning to my world.
>
> Some of us - perhaps renegade - psychologists are calling this
> world the “Psychosphere”, a term that demands a place for
> subjectivity in our foundational theories. We seek deeper more
> complete frameworks and realistic explanations for all the nuances
> of “identity” as well as all Norman Bates connotations of human
> development and behavior. We value humility. We don’t claim to
> know the answers. But we will no longer check our humanity at the
> door or deny our destructive impact on the biosphere or upon one
> another. We trust the biological wisdom of our embodiment, and
> honor the responsibility inherent in “free” will. We aim to draw
> much more deeply upon direct experience, to let people try the
> science on for size, and decide for themselves. An edited
> collection is in the works, and I’m offering the new emotion
> science in one (maybe two) chapters entitled /The Tao of Life,
> Love, and Larceny. /(As you might guess, the Love and Larceny bits
> are to emphasize how the positive and negative emotions relate to
> the best and worst of human nature.) There is so much to say -
> whatever logic might apply.
>
> Please know that each of you are always welcome in my world.
> Welcome to contribute, to argue, to question, and/or to share
> unique personal experiences that demand better science. Indeed, we
> need you.
>
> Heartfully yours,
>
> Katherine Peil Kauffman
> (AKA Kung Fu Kate)
>
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