[Fis] TR: Where does (the) information come from? CM note 17.01 21:26

Thu Jan 18 13:48:16 CET 2024

The view that 'information' is a bias, an artefact of two systems merging
has been advanced in many forms. THat what gets integrated while the left
and the right eye pictures are merged.
In this sense, information is a feature of the symbol set. There is a
slight dis-calibration between two versions of *N*, based on the number of
sentences related to similarity and to diversity properties of the
assembly. There is a fluid bazaar between (many, similar, diverse) which
translates into spatial references and quantitative descriptions.
The term 'information' has been defined using numeric properties inherent
among variants of a+b=c as a deviation between two extents in more than one
aspects. For the extent of the information, an arbitrary definition was
offered, based on differences in order caused by the reorder [ab] - [ba].
The definition is online in ijita29-01-p02.pdf (foibg.com)
<https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.foibg.com/ijita/vol29/ijita29-01-p02.pdf__;!!D9dNQwwGXtA!UsM3MeeAUYDQhRuGZ0X8yJ2NKc1aXqB-ow6dUDxaSQj6O3yRr0bA8Rbhx2oKUtONEZhuWNIqwX0pAYRq1sbzxQpVvAo$ > Chapter 7, page 70.

Information is an inbuilt feature of both the world and of the symbol set.
THe inbuilt discongruence can be visualised as tolerance, which can add up,
up to some limits.

Am Do., 18. Jan. 2024 um 10:03 Uhr schrieb joe.brenner at bluewin.ch <
joe.brenner at bluewin.ch>:

> Dear Christoph,
>
> Your note deserves serious thought as an antidote to standard views that
> information "is some *thing* that can come" from somewhere.
>
> In my view, to which you point, information is meaning for others
> (agents)and  does not exist except as and in processes of informing,
> knowing and forgetting.
>
> Otherwise, no progress has been made since Floridi enunciated  x years ago
> that information was well-formed, meaningful data.
>
> Best wishes,
> Joseph
>
> ----Message d'origine----
> De : Christophe.Menant at hotmail.fr
> Date : 17/01/2024 - 21:26 (E)
> À : itheaiss at gmail.com
> Cc : fis at listas.unizar.es
> Objet : [Fis] TR: Where does the information come from?
>
> Dear Krassimir,
> You may remember your 2017 paper “data versus information” where you
> presented part of our FIS discussions that took place at that time (https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.academia.ed__;!!D9dNQwwGXtA!UsM3MeeAUYDQhRuGZ0X8yJ2NKc1aXqB-ow6dUDxaSQj6O3yRr0bA8Rbhx2oKUtONEZhuWNIqwX0pAYRq1sbz9_76Ufg$ 
> u/85206414/Data_Versus_Information
> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.academia.edu/85206414/Data_Versus_Information__;!!D9dNQwwGXtA!VC98gCslQ55sT6EUtr2_NiwYFGpKdx9aGS9XoYmtP3LAmFJcp1knXOdfazyS6T0HtKmPI83qDmR3Lop2A7vuRSCmM4q01zIG$>).
>
> Don’t you think that some points of the paper could be part of an answer
> to the question “where does information come from”?
> Another way to introduce that subject could be to recall that information
> exists by the meaning it has for agents that manage it (create it or use
> it). Would you let us know how you position your today answer to the
> question relatively to the 2017 paper?
> (on my side I’m still with https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://philpapers.org/rec/MENITA-7__;!!D9dNQwwGXtA!UsM3MeeAUYDQhRuGZ0X8yJ2NKc1aXqB-ow6dUDxaSQj6O3yRr0bA8Rbhx2oKUtONEZhuWNIqwX0pAYRq1sbzp3gjUaE$ 
> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://philpapers.org/rec/MENITA-7__;!!D9dNQwwGXtA!VC98gCslQ55sT6EUtr2_NiwYFGpKdx9aGS9XoYmtP3LAmFJcp1knXOdfazyS6T0HtKmPI83qDmR3Lop2A7vuRSCmMy43dmrd$>
> )
> All the best
> Christophe
>
>
>
> *De :* Fis <fis-bounces at listas.unizar.es> *De la part de* Krassimir Markov
> *Envoyé :* mercredi 17 janvier 2024 17:43
> *À :*fis at listas.unizar.es
> *Objet :* [Fis] Where does the information come from?
>
>
>
> Dear Stu and colleagues,
>
>
> *Where does the information come from?*
>
> This has been a central question of philosophy for centuries.
>
> And for centuries there have been two clear, radically different answers:
>
> 1. From the Creator, that is, from God or it is God himself !
>
> 2. Information is a type of subjective reflection that is recognized by
> the subject what it reflects.
>
> I.e. information is a class of subjective reflections that the subject
> eventually uses to create mental models.
>
> The first answer is unconstructive. It leads to passivity in the study of
> informational phenomena.
>
> Note that apart from vague definitions of what information is, nothing
> else is offered - neither useful theories, nor practical implications.
>
> While the second answer gives wide scope for research and development.
>
> There are currently a number of information theories, two of which are
> General.
>
> Thanks to the fact that after our conversation in Tbilisi, Mark agreed
> that information is an impact that is recognized by the "infological
> system" and causes a change in it, he came to a serious result in the form
> of a "General Theory of Information".
>
> The other, the earlier "General Information Theory", completely steps on
> the primary concept of "reflection" and builds a neat system, which for
> years has been used in the training of computer scientists and the
> realization of new computational approaches, which come close in terms of
> possibilities to some characteristics of life consciousness.
>
> With respect,
> Krassimir
>
>
>
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