[Fis] TR: Where does (the) information come from? CM note 17.01 21:26

[joe.brenner at bluewin.ch]

Dear Christoph,
Your note deserves serious thought as an antidote to standard views that information "is some thing that can come" from somewhere.
In my view, to which you point, information is meaning for others (agents)and  does not exist except as and in processes of informing, knowing and forgetting.
Otherwise, no progress has been made since Floridi enunciated  x years ago that information was well-formed, meaningful data.
Best wishes,
Joseph
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Dear Krassimir,
 You may remember your 2017 paper “data versus information” where you presented part of our FIS discussions that took place at that time (https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.academia.ed__;!!D9dNQwwGXtA!TQ_pvEy5QNcLW32kbku2xX6u8eVlQ8msZn14BqOC-m5I1vWxjn5lTcd4pFNakFikNw2YqjiR4NnbVsIP5h5QaJNC3F8$  u/85206414/Data_Versus_Information). 
 Don’t you think that some points of the paper could be part of an answer to the question “where does information come from”?
 Another way to introduce that subject could be to recall that information exists by the meaning it has for agents that manage it (create it or use it). Would you let us know how you position your today answer to the question relatively to the 2017 paper? 
 (on my side I’m still with https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://philpapers.org/rec/MENITA-7__;!!D9dNQwwGXtA!TQ_pvEy5QNcLW32kbku2xX6u8eVlQ8msZn14BqOC-m5I1vWxjn5lTcd4pFNakFikNw2YqjiR4NnbVsIP5h5QirPBu0Y$ )
 All the best 
 Christophe
   
 
   
     
   
 
  
De : Fis <fis-bounces at listas.unizar.es> De la part de Krassimir Markov
Envoyé : mercredi 17 janvier 2024 17:43
À :fis at listas.unizar.es
Objet : [Fis] Where does the information come from?
    
 
 
  
    
  
 
  
Dear Stu and colleagues,
   
  
   
Where does the information come from?
    
  
  
   
This has been a central question of philosophy for centuries.
    
  
  
   
And for centuries there have been two clear, radically different answers:
    
  
  
   
1. From the Creator, that is, from God or it is God himself !
    
  
  
   
2. Information is a type of subjective reflection that is recognized by the subject what it reflects. 
    
  
  
   
I.e. information is a class of subjective reflections that the subject eventually uses to create mental models.
 The first answer is unconstructive. It leads to passivity in the study of informational phenomena. 
    
  
  
   
Note that apart from vague definitions of what information is, nothing else is offered - neither useful theories, nor practical implications.
 While the second answer gives wide scope for research and development. 
    
  
  
   
There are currently a number of information theories, two of which are General.
    
  
  
   
Thanks to the fact that after our conversation in Tbilisi, Mark agreed that information is an impact that is recognized by the "infological system" and causes a change in it, he came to a serious result in the form of a "General Theory of Information".
    
  
  
   
The other, the earlier "General Information Theory", completely steps on the primary concept of "reflection" and builds a neat system, which for years has been used in the training of computer scientists and the realization of new computational approaches, which come close in terms of possibilities to some characteristics of life consciousness.
 With respect,
 Krassimir
    
  
 
 
  
   
     
   
  
   
    
     
       
     
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