[Fis] Fwd: Various Thoughts . . .
Pedro C. Marijuán
pedroc.marijuan at gmail.com
Sun Dec 15 20:34:05 CET 2024
Sorry Jason, you are right. It is a technicality after each inscription
(I have to wait for the response of the invitee, and then give my
further OK). You are now free to post, with the known limitations of 2
-3 messages per week, and the mssg size of 300K. These three messages
from you, below, that I am also posting in the list, would make for your
weekly contribution. Next Monday you can start a new posting period.
Regards--Pedro
El 15/12/2024 a las 16:56, Jason Hu escribió:
> Hi Marcus, Hi Pedro, I think I went through the "sign-up process." But
> I seem to be "moderated" as an outside. This is "boundary", one of my
> three-variable definition of "system": A set of elements, a set of
> relations, and a boundary.
> The classic definition of "system" is S={E, R} when E and R are sets
> for elements and relations. I add a Boundary there to highlight the
> existence of the observer, who draws and even institutionalizes a
> boundary, thus also specifying the content of set E and set R. It is
> all cognitive activity for the individual and consensus forming for a
> group.
> It is up to the FIS list owner to decide if my message can reach FIS
> members of not, i.e., if I'm welcome or not, or, if I'm perceived as
> constructive or destructive.
> Best - Jason
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
> From: *Jason Hu* <jasonthegoodman at gmail.com>
> Date: Sun, Dec 15, 2024 at 12:57 PM
> Subject: Re: [Fis] Various Thoughts . . .
> To: Mark Johnson <johnsonmwj1 at gmail.com>
> Cc: Marcus Abundis <55mrcs at gmail.com>, fis <fis at listas.unizar.es>,
> Jason Cheung <jcheung889 at gmail.com>
>
>
> Dear Mark,
> A definition is an explanation of a term/word/concept that
> describes a phenomenon emerging in the cognitive systems of a
> group of people. Two features of it must be highlighted: (1) it is
> cognitive-system based; (2) it is group consensus-based.
> Therefore, to define something, we must first "see it," i.e.,
> cognition, and second, "we"(the group or the community) must
> "build a consensus." Thus, it is natural that people argue because
> a consensus has yet to emerge due to the diversity of cognitive
> system differences within the group, and the group might be enlarging.
> Best - Jason
>
>
>
> On Sun, Dec 15, 2024 at 6:35 AM Jason Hu
> <jasonthegoodman at gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear Marcus and All,
>
> I have been observing these conversations for a few weeks
> and see the pain of some of you struggling from individual
> cognition towards possible collective cognition or from
> individual wisdom towards some kind of collective wisdom,
> a very difficult task indeed. (Quote Marcus: "a very sore
> point and extraordinarily chronic – to the point of even
> inspiring too many odd/unhelpful/egoic insults and
> attacks..., ...How shall we proceed? ..., ...this goal
> might be best pursued by 2-3? committed (BEST QUALIFIED,
> non-egoic ‘fair witnesses’) individuals most likely equal
> to the task- perhaps working on a collaborative online
> document . .")
>
> My suggestion is that you can consider upgrading your mode
> of conversation from text email into face-to-face online
> meetings. Let me introduce you the platform of Club of
> Remy (sometimes called Mini-Macy-Meetings or "M cube.")
>
> "Mini" because we hold a discussion session if there are
> three colleagues interested in a same or similar topic,
> e.g., "How do we define information?" (Historical Macy
> Meetings had about thirty participants, so we are 1/10 in
> size) Each person prepare 7 PPT slides to highlight
> his/her points, to be presented on the meeting. So that
> will take the first hour. In the second hour, the three
> discussants engage into a deep "meeting of the minds."
> Audience are welcome but not neccessary, they can joing
> the discussion or just listen. The whole process is
> recorded and upload to YouTube for later viewers. Simple,
> effective, powerful.
>
> The Club of Remy website introduce this process in detail:
> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://clubofremy.org__;!!D9dNQwwGXtA!TWYgSwRCVVZZtOZh42pM7rs7Pzsny_X-PdHIFZro-ywrJohTMGNMRVOe1-h4aqaYpGMeS-pfTnhwc7d4MERIv0bgCez5$
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>
> You can find our video recordings here:
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>
> Interested colleagues can send me a Title-Abstract-Outline
> of the topic you want to discuss (one page or one
> screenful in length). I post it to our club members (about
> 200) and perhaps to FIS members in this case. If there are
> two more people signing up to be discussants, the three
> will pick up a date. We usually have our meetings on
> Wednesdays (The historical Macy Meetings were on Tuesdays.)
>
> I hope this message will qualify as "information" for you,
> i.e., "A difference that makes a difference." Even you are
> not accepting is this suggestion, it might provoke your
> thinking too.
>
> Best regards - Jason
> ------------------------------------
> Jason Jixuan Hu, Ph.D.
> Independent Research Scholar
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