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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Sorry Jason, you are right. It is a
technicality after each inscription (I have to wait for the
response of the invitee, and then give my further OK). You are now
free to post, with the known limitations of 2 -3 messages per
week, and the mssg size of 300K. These three messages from you,
below, that I am also posting in the list, would make for your
weekly contribution. Next Monday you can start a new posting
period.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Regards--Pedro</div>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">El 15/12/2024 a las 16:56, Jason Hu
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large">Hi Marcus, Hi
Pedro, I think I went through the "sign-up process." But I
seem to be "moderated" as an outside. This is "boundary", one
of my three-variable definition of "system": A set of
elements, a set of relations, and a boundary. </div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large">The classic
definition of "system" is S={E, R} when E and R are sets for
elements and relations. I add a Boundary there to highlight
the existence of the observer, who draws and even
institutionalizes a boundary, thus also specifying the content
of set E and set R. It is all cognitive activity for the
individual and consensus forming for a group. </div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large">It is up to
the FIS list owner to decide if my message can reach FIS
members of not, i.e., if I'm welcome or not, or, if I'm
perceived as constructive or destructive.</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:large">Best - Jason </div>
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Date: Sun, Dec 15, 2024 at 12:57 PM<br>
Subject: Re: [Fis] Various Thoughts . . .<br>
To: Mark Johnson <<a
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Cc: Marcus Abundis <<a href="mailto:55mrcs@gmail.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">55mrcs@gmail.com</a>>,
fis <<a href="mailto:fis@listas.unizar.es"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">fis@listas.unizar.es</a>>,
Jason Cheung <<a href="mailto:jcheung889@gmail.com"
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<div style="font-size:large">Dear Mark,</div>
<div style="font-size:large">A definition is an
explanation of a term/word/concept that describes a
phenomenon emerging in the cognitive systems of a
group of people. Two features of it must be
highlighted: (1) it is cognitive-system based; (2) it
is group consensus-based.</div>
<div style="font-size:large">Therefore, to define
something, we must first "see it," i.e., cognition,
and second, "we"(the group or the community) must
"build a consensus." Thus, it is natural that people
argue because a consensus has yet to emerge due to the
diversity of cognitive system differences within the
group, and the group might be enlarging.</div>
<div style="font-size:large">Best - Jason </div>
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<div dir="ltr">On Sun, Dec 15, 2024 at
6:35 AM Jason Hu <<a
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wrote:<br>
Dear Marcus and All,<br>
<br>
I have been observing these
conversations for a few weeks and see
the pain of some of you struggling from
individual cognition towards possible
collective cognition or from individual
wisdom towards some kind of collective
wisdom, a very difficult task indeed.
(Quote Marcus: "a very sore point and
extraordinarily chronic – to the point
of even inspiring too many
odd/unhelpful/egoic insults and
attacks..., ...How shall we proceed?
..., ...this goal might be best pursued
by 2-3? committed (BEST QUALIFIED,
non-egoic ‘fair witnesses’) individuals
most likely equal to the task- perhaps
working on a collaborative online
document . .")<br>
<br>
My suggestion is that you can consider
upgrading your mode of conversation from
text email into face-to-face online
meetings. Let me introduce you the
platform of Club of Remy (sometimes
called Mini-Macy-Meetings or "M cube.")
<br>
<br>
"Mini" because we hold a discussion
session if there are three colleagues
interested in a same or similar topic,
e.g., "How do we define information?"
(Historical Macy Meetings had about
thirty participants, so we are 1/10 in
size) Each person prepare 7 PPT slides
to highlight his/her points, to be
presented on the meeting. So that will
take the first hour. In the second hour,
the three discussants engage into a deep
"meeting of the minds." Audience are
welcome but not neccessary, they can
joing the discussion or just listen. The
whole process is recorded and upload to
YouTube for later viewers. Simple,
effective, powerful.<br>
<br>
The Club of Remy website introduce this
process in detail: <a
href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://clubofremy.org__;!!D9dNQwwGXtA!UWQW0t9Ug0Bgiwpkm9jAz71kXj__qyALTdskOQ-T9rcqwpf_Ln3ImgzfB1mGxBwWQr31aKLxri_Z2AF1$"
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moz-do-not-send="true">https://clubofremy.org</a>
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You can find our video recordings here:
<a
href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://YouTube.com@clubofremy/videos__;!!D9dNQwwGXtA!UWQW0t9Ug0Bgiwpkm9jAz71kXj__qyALTdskOQ-T9rcqwpf_Ln3ImgzfB1mGxBwWQr31aKLxrtf2zoXm$"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://YouTube.com@clubofremy/videos</a><br>
<br>
Interested colleagues can send me a
Title-Abstract-Outline of the topic you
want to discuss (one page or one
screenful in length). I post it to our
club members (about 200) and perhaps to
FIS members in this case. If there are
two more people signing up to be
discussants, the three will pick up a
date. We usually have our meetings on
Wednesdays (The historical Macy Meetings
were on Tuesdays.) <br>
<br>
I hope this message will qualify as
"information" for you, i.e., "A
difference that makes a difference."
Even you are not accepting is this
suggestion, it might provoke your
thinking too.<br>
<br>
Best regards - Jason<br>
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Jason Jixuan Hu, Ph.D.<br>
Independent Research Scholar <br>
Organizer: Club of REMY: <a
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Introduction: <a
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