[Fis] Fis Digest, Vol 117, Issue 14

Fri Dec 6 12:19:48 CET 2024

Great questions! Let me give a possible answer.
Nikita Shklovskiy-Kordi-Liberman

Никита Ефимович Шкловский-Корди
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Пт, 6 дек. 2024 г. в 01:58, Krassimir Markov <itheaiss at gmail.com>:

> Dear Prof. Dr. Thomas Görnitz,
> Please answer three simple questions:
> 1. What is your definition of “information” ?
> 2. What makes information truly the fundamental entity ?
> 3. How can AQIs develop both material objects and their properties ?
> Please give an example!
> With respect,
> Krassimir
>
>
> На чт, 5.12.2024 г. в 22:58 <fis-request at listas.unizar.es> написа:
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>>    1. Re: Five Clouds over Fundamental Information Science
>>       (Prof. Dr. Thomas =?utf-8?b?R8O2cm5pdHo=?=)
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>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: "Prof. Dr. Thomas Görnitz" <goernitz at em.uni-frankfurt.de>
>> To: fis at listas.unizar.es
>> Cc:
>> Bcc:
>> Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2024 21:55:03 +0100
>> Subject: Re: [Fis] Five Clouds over Fundamental Information Science
>>
>> Dear all,
>> I would like to add a few comments about Cloud 5.
>> If information is indeed the fundamental entity, an opinion I share, then
>> it is necessary to tie it to the natural sciences and especially to physics
>> as their foundation. That is why I have been developing the consequences of
>> a theory of abstract quantum information, AQIs, as a new basis for physics
>> for a long time.
>> The basis of physics is provided by quantum theory. Its essential aspects
>> are:
>> 1. Quantum theory is the physics of the precise. Only when it really has
>> to be or becomes very precise does quantum theory come into play.
>> 2. Quantum theory is so precise that it can grasp that mere possibilities
>> can produce real actions.
>> This concerns such possibilities that cannot be imagined as unknown
>> facts, as in classical probability theory. In our everyday behavior, it is
>> natural for us to also be influenced by pure possibilities, that is, by
>> possibilities that have not yet become unknown facts.
>> 3. Possibilities combine multiplicatively. This corresponds to the fact
>> that in quantum theory, the state space of a complex system is constructed
>> by the tensor product of the state spaces of those parts that combine to
>> form the complex system.
>> The explanatory principle of science is to construct complex systems from
>> simple systems. Due to the tensor product, in quantum theory the system as
>> a whole has many more new and different properties than the sum of the
>> parts from which it was constructed.
>> This mathematical explanation of the New and Different no longer makes it
>> necessary to use the concept of emergence for the transition to something
>> new.
>> A quantum particle has a countably infinite-dimensional state space and a
>> quantum field has an uncountably infinite-dimensional state space. This
>> obviously has nothing to do with simplicity.
>> The simplest possible quantum structure has a two-dimensional state
>> space. Something simpler is impossible.
>> So far, a two-dimensional state space is usually assigned to a property
>> of a quantum particle, e.g. its spin or polarization.
>> Carl Friedrich von Weizsäcker was the first to point out the possibility
>> of constructing quantum particles from – as we would formulate it today –
>> quantum bits with his theory of Ur-alternatives, which he developed in the
>> 1960s, based primarily on philosophical considerations.
>> In 1972, Weizsäcker put forward the thesis that a proton is 10^40 Ure,
>> i.e. quantum bits.
>> Weizsäcker used the term information in the way it is generally used, as
>> something that has a meaning. He rejected an absolute concept of
>> information.
>> However, this overlooks the fact that in cosmic evolution, meaning can
>> exist for the first time for the first living beings. Before the existence
>> of life, there are forces, but for planets or stars, nothing has meaning.
>> Meaning always has a large subjective component, but physics aims at the
>> objective.
>> In 1980, Weizsäcker had also invited John A. Wheeler to the 4th
>> conference on the Ur-Theory and its consequences. Wheeler spoke there about
>> “The Elementary Quantum Act as Higgledy-Piggledy Building Mechanism.” In
>> 1990, Wheeler then gave a lecture with the title “It from Bit”, which is
>> still very advertising-effective today.
>> A crucial step for the later successes was to become even more abstract
>> than Weizsäcker.
>> The simplest structure must also be the one with the lowest energy.
>> According to Max Planck's formula E = hc / λ, it must therefore have the
>> maximum expansion. The simplest, an AQI, is therefore not a small particle
>> or anything spatially tiny, but a cosmically extended structure. Only 10^41
>> of them can form something as localized as a proton.
>> Since “information” in normal language use is always understood as laden
>> with meaning, it has proven useful to introduce a new term for this form of
>> abstract and absolute quantum bits, for the AQIs: “protyposis”, “that which
>> is pre-embossed”.
>> Since one can certainly not imagine anything under this term, one cannot
>> develop any misconceptions with it.
>> Matter itself and also the properties and forms of matter are special
>> formations of AQIs. They can be transmitted between sender and receiver by
>> photons, which are also structures made of AQIs.
>> Properties can become significant information for living beings by
>> causing actions.
>> This is certainly understandable.
>> A lot of research work has been done since Weizsäcker's beginnings. It
>> was shown how the particles of relativistic quantum mechanics can be
>> constructed from quantum bits in Minkowski space without and with rest
>> mass. [1]
>> <#m_-2935152686731161091_m_4256754085922029258_m_-7728518728971281123__edn1>,
>> [2]
>> <#m_-2935152686731161091_m_4256754085922029258_m_-7728518728971281123__edn2>
>> · It was explained why the gauge interactions of the electromagnetic,
>> weak and strong interactions have the precise groups U(1), SU(2) and SU(3).
>> [3]
>> <#m_-2935152686731161091_m_4256754085922029258_m_-7728518728971281123__edn3>,
>> [4]
>> <#m_-2935152686731161091_m_4256754085922029258_m_-7728518728971281123__edn4>
>> · A cosmological model was also developed. [5]
>> <#m_-2935152686731161091_m_4256754085922029258_m_-7728518728971281123__edn5>,
>> [6]
>> <#m_-2935152686731161091_m_4256754085922029258_m_-7728518728971281123__edn6>
>> For this, it was shown that with the abstract and still meaning-free
>> quantum bits, AQIs, the phenomena for which inflation, dark energy and dark
>> matter were invented either do not exist or can be explained. [7]
>> <#m_-2935152686731161091_m_4256754085922029258_m_-7728518728971281123__edn7>
>> The many particles that have been invented for these three postulates
>> have so far eluded all observation and experiment.
>> Such a new scientific understanding of matter and also of quantum
>> information has made it possible to explain consciousness in a scientific
>> way.
>> The brain is the tool necessary for the generation of consciousness.
>> Consciousness is a structure of AQIs that can appear as the entangled
>> properties of entangled photons localized in a living brain. Consciousness
>> acquires its meanings in the course of biological evolution and individual
>> development.
>> Now, with the AQIs, it has also become understandable that consciousness
>> can produce real actions on the brain and, through it, on the rest of the
>> body. [8]
>> <#m_-2935152686731161091_m_4256754085922029258_m_-7728518728971281123__edn8>,
>> [9]
>> <#m_-2935152686731161091_m_4256754085922029258_m_-7728518728971281123__edn9>,
>> [10]
>> <#m_-2935152686731161091_m_4256754085922029258_m_-7728518728971281123__edn10>
>> An overview of this theory as it stood in 1985 is available in German and
>> in the translation of Weizsäcker's work “Aufbau der Physik”. [11]
>> <#m_-2935152686731161091_m_4256754085922029258_m_-7728518728971281123__edn11>
>> A more up-to-date summary is available in English in a Springer Essentials.
>> [12]
>> <#m_-2935152686731161091_m_4256754085922029258_m_-7728518728971281123__edn12>
>> A detailed description of the mathematical structure and the philosophy
>> of quantum theory and its implications for our understanding of life and
>> consciousness exists in German. [13]
>> <#m_-2935152686731161091_m_4256754085922029258_m_-7728518728971281123__edn13>
>> An English translation is in preparation.
>> In summary, I can state once again:
>> The simplest quantum structure for mathematical reasons, an AQI, has a
>> two-dimensional state space. Because of this mathematical structure, it is
>> often referred to as a quantum bit, although it is not yet information in
>> the sense of meaning.
>> But the AQIs develop both material objects as well as their properties.
>> Properties of objects and structures can become meaningful information for
>> living beings. Structures of meaningful information are ultimately also the
>> thoughts in our consciousness.
>> This touches on *Cloud 1 and Cloud 2*. Properties of DNA form the
>> behavioral recipes for all life forms – *Cloud 3*.
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> [1]
>> <#m_-2935152686731161091_m_4256754085922029258_m_-7728518728971281123__ednref1>
>> Görnitz T, Graudenz D, Weizsäcker C F v (1992) Quantum Field Theory of
>> Binary Alternatives, Intern. J. Theoret. Phys. 31, 1929–1959
>> [2]
>> <#m_-2935152686731161091_m_4256754085922029258_m_-7728518728971281123__ednref2>
>>  Görnitz T, Schomäcker U (2012) Quantum Particles From Quantum Information,
>> Journal of Physics: Conference Series 380, 012025
>> doi:10.1088/1742-6596/380/1/012025
>> [3]
>> <#m_-2935152686731161091_m_4256754085922029258_m_-7728518728971281123__ednref3>
>> Görnitz T (2014) Simplest quantum structures and the foundation of
>> interaction, Rev. in Theoretical Science, 2, 289-300
>> [4]
>> <#m_-2935152686731161091_m_4256754085922029258_m_-7728518728971281123__ednref4>
>> Görnitz T, Schomäcker U (2016) The structures of interactions – How to
>> explain the gauge groups U(1), SU(2) and SU(3), Found. Sci.,
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>> [5]
>> <#m_-2935152686731161091_m_4256754085922029258_m_-7728518728971281123__ednref5>
>> Görnitz T (1988) Abstract Quantum Theory and Space-Time-Structure, Part I,
>> Ur-Theory, Space-Time-Continuum and Bekenstein-Hawking-Entropy, Intern.
>> Journ. Theoret. Phys. 27, 527–542.
>> [6]
>> <#m_-2935152686731161091_m_4256754085922029258_m_-7728518728971281123__ednref6>
>> Görnitz T (1988) On Connections between Abstract Quantum Theory and
>> Space-Time-Structure, Part II, A Model of cosmological evolution, Intern.
>> Journ. Theoret. Phys. 27, 659–666.
>> [7]
>> <#m_-2935152686731161091_m_4256754085922029258_m_-7728518728971281123__ednref7>
>> Görnitz T, Schomäcker U (2021) Quantumbit Cosmology explains Effects of
>> Rotation Curves of Galaxies, Foundations of Science,
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>> [8]
>> <#m_-2935152686731161091_m_4256754085922029258_m_-7728518728971281123__ednref8>
>> Görnitz T (1999) Quanta sind anders/Die verborgene Einheit der Welt,
>> Heidelberg, Spektrum
>> [9]
>> <#m_-2935152686731161091_m_4256754085922029258_m_-7728518728971281123__ednref9>
>> Görnitz T, Görnitz B (2002, 2006, 2013) Der kreative Kosmos/Geist und
>> Materie aus Quanteninformation, Heidelberg, Spektrum
>> [10]
>> <#m_-2935152686731161091_m_4256754085922029258_m_-7728518728971281123__ednref10>
>> Görnitz T, Görnitz B (2016) From Quantum Physics to Consciousness/Cosmos,
>> Mind and Matter, Heidelberg, Springer
>> [11]
>> <#m_-2935152686731161091_m_4256754085922029258_m_-7728518728971281123__ednref11>
>> Weizsäcker C F v (1985) Aufbau der Physik, Hanser Verlag, Munich,
>> English (2006) by Görnitz T, Lyre H (Eds) The Structure of Physics,
>> Springer, Dordrecht,
>> [12]
>> <#m_-2935152686731161091_m_4256754085922029258_m_-7728518728971281123__ednref12>
>> Görnitz T, Görnitz B (2018) Protyposis – an introduction / Consciousness
>> and Matter from Quantum Information, DAS NEUE DENKEN, Munich, free
>> download:
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>> [13]
>> <#m_-2935152686731161091_m_4256754085922029258_m_-7728518728971281123__ednref13>
>> Görnitz T (2024) Understanding Quantum Theory / basic ideas and concepts,
>> 2nd ed, Hanser, Munich
>>
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