[Fis] emotions. Mae West

Thu Mar 2 18:39:22 CET 2023

Dear Konstantin,

Thank you for these two brief but fascinating insights into your work and your approach to life. To paraphrase Mae West, “it’s not the information in my life but the life in my information that counts!”

If anything, I find one conclusion of your theory too modest: I think it permits much more philosophically and scientifically than just building “quantitative models for the analysis and synthesis of images”. It may open a path to rigorous qualitative models and the logical oppositions in real processes, emotional and others. 

Best wishes,

Joseph

From: Fis <fis-bounces at listas.unizar.es> On Behalf Of konstantin lidin
Sent: Wednesday, March 1, 2023 9:10 AM
To: fis at listas.unizar.es; Roy Morrison <roy.morrison114 at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Fis] emotions

the calculation of the amount of information contained in one human personality is based on the following considerations: 

the number of nitrogenous bases in a DNA molecule is 3.2 billion. Each base contains two bits of information. In total, the amount of information in one DNA molecule is about a gigabyte (10^9);

all cells of the human body are different and, therefore, the information in each cell does not coincide with the information in other cells. Therefore, the amount of information in the body needs to be multiplied by the number of cells - about 10 ^ 14;

the total is 10 ^ 23 bytes, that is, one hundred zettabytes. Even considering that 99% of cellular information is repeated, the amount of unique information in a living organism is zettabytes. It is the amount of information per unit of mass that is the fundamental difference between a living organism and an inanimate one.

Our model can be useful for the study of intrapsychic processes. Unfortunately, the format of a short message does not allow us to fully describe all the results obtained over twenty-five years of development of this model. 

You are absolutely right; the human personality is complex enough that its individual fragments can experience different emotions at the same time. A person can simultaneously experience fear of a shark, tenderness and trust in it, sadness from his loneliness in the middle of an endless ocean, and so on.

The role of hormones and neurotransmitters in the movement of information through the nervous system has not been sufficiently studied.  The processes occurring in the synaptic cleft are associated with the adaptation of the nervous system to the nature of the flow of information. The balance of neurotransmitters in the synaptic cleft corresponds to the characteristics of the information flow - for example, adrenaline promotes the passage of chaotic flows (emotion "fear"), and gamma-aminobutyric acid "adjusts" the nervous system to weak information flows (sadness).

Rapid and strong changes in the balance of neurotransmitters correspond to "emotional storms", which is so characteristic of young poets...

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From: Roy Morrison <roy.morrison114 at yahoo.com <mailto:roy.morrison114 at yahoo.com> >
Sent: 01 March 2023 06:54
To: fis at listas.unizar.es <mailto:fis at listas.unizar.es>  <fis at listas.unizar.es <mailto:fis at listas.unizar.es> >; konstantin lidin <lidinkl at hotmail.com <mailto:lidinkl at hotmail.com> >
Subject: Re: [Fis] emotions 

Konstantin

I powerful and important take on emotions as experience of information flow. 

Really appreciate "In turn, we understand information as a structural aspect of the existence of matter, along with the inertial aspect (substance) and the dynamic aspect (energy). We believe that information is no less material than matter and energy. "

 and

"The total amount of information contained on all media in all libraries, archives and other repositories of mankind is about a zettabyte (10^23 bits). About the same amount of information contains one human personality."

    From my experience as a lunatic, ok as a neurotic, the complexity of emotion is complicated by issues of  what is conscious/ repressed/ unconscious.

Your model making distinctions between Order-Chaos and Weak flow- Intense Flow does not fully explain issues of unconscious roiling repression this is driven in part by hormonal emotional activation and repression. At the same time I recognize the common and shared emotional expression we share across species. 

Watching video of a fisherman who saved a great white shark trapped it nets. The shark keep returning to the fishman's small boat for days. Shark rolled on her? back next to his boat so he could spoke her belly to her great pleasure.Evolutionary we share  common emotional expression and the similar brain chemicals.

Roy

On Tuesday, February 28, 2023 at 01:17:37 PM EST, konstantin lidin <lidinkl at hotmail.com <mailto:lidinkl at hotmail.com> > wrote: 

Dear information ladies and gentlemen!  

There are two directions in the study of information. One, "humanitarian", explores information processes in living systems. The other ("physical") focuses on the study of information transitions into energy and other phenomena related to the structure of matter. The separation of these branches looks quite natural if we take into account the difference in the amount of information contained in the studied objects. The total amount of information contained on all media in all libraries, archives and other repositories of mankind is about a zettabyte (10^23 bits). About the same amount of information contains one human personality. At the same time, the most powerful information processes in non-living systems are limited to giga- and terabit scales. The difference of ten orders of magnitude cannot but cause fundamental differences in the methods and paradigms of these two spheres of knowledge.  

Recently, I have been saddened to observe the cessation of the dialogue between the two branches of information theory. "Humanitarians" and "physicists" increasingly ignore each other. It is unlikely that such trends will help the development of our ideas about the essence and properties of information. I sincerely hope that the gap will be overcome, including through my modest efforts.  

EMOTIONS AS EXPERIENCE OF INFORMATION FLOW  

Konstantin Lidin  

Emotions play a very significant role in all areas related to the human factor [1]. The problem, however, is that the existing theories of emotion seem to fit only within their own narrow field. Attempts to use each of the theories in other areas are sharply criticized [2, 3].  

Our idea is to define emotions as the experience of information flow characteristics. In turn, we understand information as a structural aspect of the existence of matter, along with the inertial aspect (substance) and the dynamic aspect (energy). We believe that information is no less material than matter and energy.  

Consider the flow of information through the human senses. Like any flow, this flow can be strong (intense, with a lot of information per unit time) or weak. It can also be ordered (laminar) or chaotic (turbulent).  

The high intensity of the flow corresponds to the emotions of the group "interest, enthusiasm, excitement". Low - to the emotions of the "sadness, despondency" group. The laminar flow of information corresponds to the emotions of the "conscience, guilt" group. Turbulent - "fear, anxiety."  

Axes "intensity" and "order" are orthogonal to each other and form the basis of the Cartesian two-dimensional space. Thus, we get a "space of emotions", in which everyone points to a certain emotion. For example, the diagonal vector between the "interest" and "fear" semiaxes corresponds to the emotions of the "anger, aggression" group, and the vector between the "fear" and "sadness" semiaxes corresponds to the emotions of the "anger, aggression" group. groups "disgust, contempt". Diagonally between the vectors "sadness" and "conscience, guilt" are the emotions of the group "shame", and between "conscience" and "interest" - the group of emotions "joy, pride".  

Of course, only a few areas of the emotional space have their own names in any language. Most of the emotions are either "nameless" or indicated allegorically, with the help of comparisons and metaphors.  

The center of the space of emotions is the state of indifference. In ancient Greek philosophy, this state was designated as "ataraxia", in Sanskrit it corresponds to the term "ahimsa", and in Chinese philosophy - the principle of "wu-wei".  

The farther from the center,  the more intense the emotions. For example, a weak form of the emotion "anger" is called "displeasure, irritation", and an extremely strong emotion from this group is called "rage, fury".  

The emotions of the left half-plane around the “sadness” half-axis slow down the processes in the body (they act asthenic). When experiencing sadness, breathing and pulse become slower and smaller, metabolism and energy production are inhibited at the cellular level, and so on. Unlimited growth of such processes can also become incompatible with life. In the same way, other groups of emotions have their own physiological limits on intensity.  

The bodily aspect of experiencing emotions allows you to associate them with the qualities of the images that a person perceives. The nervous system, and after it, the whole body is tuned to experience the information flow with certain parameters by changing the balance of neurotransmitters. For example, an increase in the concentration of dopamine and serotonin brings the nervous system into a state that is most effective for experiencing intense flows of information; adrenaline helps to experience chaotic flows of information, and so on.  

Sthenic emotions, having a stimulating effect on the body, contribute to an increase in visual acuity, especially color (since the cones in the retina are more mobile in their states than the rods). Other perceptions are heightened as well. As a result, a person in a sthenic state perceives the world as brighter, more colorful, dynamic, loud and resonant, saturated with intense smells and tastes.  

Accordingly, the emotions of the sthenic group (“interest” and those close to it) can be stimulated with the help of “hot” images with high brightness, colorfulness and dynamism. Voiced and loud sounds, intense smells and tastes, etc. are perceived as more interesting.  

On the contrary, the emotions of the asthenic group (“sadness” and around it) are stimulated by the perception of “cold” images - static, dull and gray. The "sounds of sadness" are quiet and muffled, the tastes and smells are faint and nuanced.  

Images corresponding to the emotions of the upper half-plane (“conscience, guilt” and those close to them) are distinguished by orderliness and harmony. In terms of visual mode, they rely on classic color chords, clear symmetry and balance. Their sound is rhythmic and harmonious. In the olfactory sense, natural combinations of taste and smell are used.  

The lower half-plane of the space of emotions corresponds to emotions of a chaotic type (“fear”, “anger”, “disgust” and those close to them). Such states correspond to colorful, disharmonious, arrhythmic, dissymmetric and dissonant images.  

The interpretation of emotions as parameters of the information flow makes it possible to build quantitative models for the analysis and synthesis of images in various fields. Our experience has shown the applicability of the information model of emotions in various areas of psychology, urban studies, architecture and design, economics, management, pedagogy, cultural studies, journalism, literary criticism, and so on [4]. We are currently working on using the information model of emotions in the field of human-computer interaction (artificial intelligence).  

References  

1. Emotion-oriented Systems (2011). Catherine Pelachaud (Ed.), London : Wiley  

2. Scarantino, Andrea and Ronald de Sousa, “Emotion”, The Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy (Winter 2018 Edition), Edward N. Zalta (ed.)  

3. Handbook of emotions (2008). Michael Lewis, Jeanette M. Halivand-Jones and Lisa Feldman Barrett (Ed.).3-d edition. NY – London : The Guilford Press  

4. Lidin K. et all (2017) Applying the theory of informational ﬂows in urbanism for a practical experiment in architecture and land use. Revista Espacios, V. 39(1), 12-21  

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