[Fis] emotions. Mae West

Thu Mar 2 22:29:52 CET 2023

Dear Joseph,
thank you for appreciating my ideas.

I agree with you that a materialistic approach to the study of information and emotions can be useful in a variety of fields of scientific knowledge. But I prefer to assert something concrete only where I have reliable practical experience.
In the field of image analysis and synthesis (mainly in architecture and design) I have such experience.
You can watch the presentation of my lecture at this link, there are beautiful pictures there))))

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PHILOSOPHY OF INTERIOR March – April 2020 Konstantin Lidin
docs.google.com

All the best,
Konstantin
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From: joe.brenner at bluewin.ch <joe.brenner at bluewin.ch>
Sent: 03 March 2023 01:39
To: 'konstantin lidin' <lidinkl at hotmail.com>; fis at listas.unizar.es <fis at listas.unizar.es>; 'Roy Morrison' <roy.morrison114 at yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: [Fis] emotions. Mae West

Dear Konstantin,

Thank you for these two brief but fascinating insights into your work and your approach to life. To paraphrase Mae West, “it’s not the information in my life but the life in my information that counts!”

If anything, I find one conclusion of your theory too modest: I think it permits much more philosophically and scientifically than just building “quantitative models for the analysis and synthesis of images”. It may open a path to rigorous qualitative models and the logical oppositions in real processes, emotional and others.

Best wishes,

Joseph

From: Fis <fis-bounces at listas.unizar.es> On Behalf Of konstantin lidin
Sent: Wednesday, March 1, 2023 9:10 AM
To: fis at listas.unizar.es; Roy Morrison <roy.morrison114 at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Fis] emotions

the calculation of the amount of information contained in one human personality is based on the following considerations:

the number of nitrogenous bases in a DNA molecule is 3.2 billion. Each base contains two bits of information. In total, the amount of information in one DNA molecule is about a gigabyte (10^9);

all cells of the human body are different and, therefore, the information in each cell does not coincide with the information in other cells. Therefore, the amount of information in the body needs to be multiplied by the number of cells - about 10 ^ 14;

the total is 10 ^ 23 bytes, that is, one hundred zettabytes. Even considering that 99% of cellular information is repeated, the amount of unique information in a living organism is zettabytes. It is the amount of information per unit of mass that is the fundamental difference between a living organism and an inanimate one.

Our model can be useful for the study of intrapsychic processes. Unfortunately, the format of a short message does not allow us to fully describe all the results obtained over twenty-five years of development of this model.

You are absolutely right; the human personality is complex enough that its individual fragments can experience different emotions at the same time. A person can simultaneously experience fear of a shark, tenderness and trust in it, sadness from his loneliness in the middle of an endless ocean, and so on.

The role of hormones and neurotransmitters in the movement of information through the nervous system has not been sufficiently studied.  The processes occurring in the synaptic cleft are associated with the adaptation of the nervous system to the nature of the flow of information. The balance of neurotransmitters in the synaptic cleft corresponds to the characteristics of the information flow - for example, adrenaline promotes the passage of chaotic flows (emotion "fear"), and gamma-aminobutyric acid "adjusts" the nervous system to weak information flows (sadness).

Rapid and strong changes in the balance of neurotransmitters correspond to "emotional storms", which is so characteristic of young poets...

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From: Roy Morrison <roy.morrison114 at yahoo.com<mailto:roy.morrison114 at yahoo.com>>
Sent: 01 March 2023 06:54
To: fis at listas.unizar.es<mailto:fis at listas.unizar.es> <fis at listas.unizar.es<mailto:fis at listas.unizar.es>>; konstantin lidin <lidinkl at hotmail.com<mailto:lidinkl at hotmail.com>>
Subject: Re: [Fis] emotions

Konstantin

I powerful and important take on emotions as experience of information flow.

Really appreciate "In turn, we understand information as a structural aspect of the existence of matter, along with the inertial aspect (substance) and the dynamic aspect (energy). We believe that information is no less material than matter and energy. "

 and

"The total amount of information contained on all media in all libraries, archives and other repositories of mankind is about a zettabyte (10^23 bits). About the same amount of information contains one human personality."

    From my experience as a lunatic, ok as a neurotic, the complexity of emotion is complicated by issues of  what is conscious/ repressed/ unconscious.

Your model making distinctions between Order-Chaos and Weak flow- Intense Flow does not fully explain issues of unconscious roiling repression this is driven in part by hormonal emotional activation and repression. At the same time I recognize the common and shared emotional expression we share across species.

Watching video of a fisherman who saved a great white shark trapped it nets. The shark keep returning to the fishman's small boat for days. Shark rolled on her? back next to his boat so he could spoke her belly to her great pleasure.Evolutionary we share  common emotional expression and the similar brain chemicals.

Roy

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