[Fis] Information, misinformation, disinformation

[Dr. Plamen L. Simeonov]

This is all correct, Lou. But I don't think that the EU is primarily
interested in solving these kinds of problems.
What we had in the past were e.g. regulations of how straight and long
green cucumbers on the market should be.
Everything is about proper standards. It does not matter that "diversity"
is in all mouths.
We also witnessed how science was raped innumerous times during the past 3
years.

So, I see this kind of directives, incl. institutional top-down education,
i.e. indoctrination, like the one of novel studies like CRT, pedophilia,
etc. in the US schools as the wrong approach.  These alien disruption
CULTures of the new world era administered by enforcement as injections to
the conscious mind of presumably intelligent human beings are incompatible
with the definition of intelligence per se. People do co-evolve with the
environment and meanwhile many have developed high sensitivity towards
fake/true information without directions from above.
If this centralized top-down order continues, we may land in an old era
that was considered as gone.
I was witness to such "order" in my young years, but even it was not as
restrictive to the free exchange of ideas and opinions as this one.
Why this fear of "disinformation"? Only totalitarian regimes fear like that.
History teaches. If we allow and bear that kind of policy, it won't last
long until we face something like that here:
https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/ministry-of-propaganda-and-public-enlightenment__;!!D9dNQwwGXtA!RqmoZnQAMCcF1FwE4yXNOky-4pwWx9fvAmQ_7iIjKssu3fBzgV4D_2qU0uvCQWnlT9G1ENx2DmmZ2DoQWDl2zViQv_Et$ 

Best,

Plamen



On Mon, Jun 5, 2023 at 9:47 AM Louis Kauffman <loukau at gmail.com> wrote:

> In scientific communities, evolving criteria for acceptable information
> goes on all the time and is
> a marker for freedom of thought, not for censorship. At the same time, it
> is the case that such communities often are caught in orthodoxies and fixed
> viewpoints that require certain generations to simply die out to be
> rectified. We make progress in scientific knowing by having evolving
> criteria for
> acceptable results. Note also that the criterion for acceptability is the
> independent production of those results by other researchers. Under such
> conditions this is the
> opposite of censorship. Alas, sociological and political results are much
> harder to reproduce. But it is nevertheless possible to discriminate between
> lies, fabrications and actual accounts of events. I say possible and to
> the extent that people are educated to think for themselves and to think
> critically, it becomes more
> possible.
>
>
> On Jun 5, 2023, at 2:24 AM, konstantin lidin <lidinkl at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> the concept of disinformation is completely subjective.
> According to Shannon, lies (noise) this is irrelevant information.
> Relevance is compliance with the goals of the participants in the
> information transfer process. Any message is relevant (truthful) if it
> corresponds to the picture of the world of the sender and recipient of the
> message. For example, a message about the existence of demons is truthful
> information for a believer in demons, but the same message is
> disinformation for an atheist.
> Declarations on combating disinformation are a reason for the introduction
> of stricter censorship by EU and EC officials. Obviously, if this project
> is implemented, special sensors will be assigned that will determine the
> level of reliability of messages and punish messages that contradict the
> official picture of the world from EC officials
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> *From:* Fis <fis-bounces at listas.unizar.es> on behalf of Michel Petitjean <
> petitjean.chiral at gmail.com>
> *Sent:* 05 June 2023 02:58
> *To:* fis <fis at listas.unizar.es>
> *Subject:* [Fis] Information, misinformation, disinformation
>
> Dear All,
> Europa declares that fighting disinformation will be legal obligation.
> Let me ask some questions:
> - Who is able to recognize misinformation vs. information?
> - When misinformation is recognized, who is able to establish an
> intentional character, so that it is disinformation indeed?
> - Who will be in charge to do the tasks above?
> Well, in some simple cases disinformation can be recognized.
> Just curious, would we all agree when such of these cases is stated to
> have occurred?
> Better would be to massively educate people rather than to censor.
> All my best.
> Michel. retired scientist.
>
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