[Fis] THE ROOTS OF MODERN CIVILISATION--Some More Old Roots

[Karl Javorszky]

Dear Plamen et al,

*In search of a bold leader telling the new rules*

The discussion meanders around the theme of information like a team of
responders tasked with rescuing an animal from a deep morass. This is a
team effort. Finishing the task presupposes some agreements on how to
proceed. The discussion pivots to personalities like Copernicus, Bruno,
Galilei or Mendel, the monk. Darwin comes also to mind, with the trapped
unknown of the analogy being an animal. We have discovered something that
is both reasonable and common sense, and the idea is at the same time
hair-raisingly unconventional. There is nothing complicated in
understanding that the Earth is a moving globe, that rational reasoning is
more practical and useful than theology, that the Earth circles around the
Sun, that external, rational rules exist that predetermine rules of
heredity (and not divine plans), that there are rules that are common to
all animals, and the rule of the survival of the fittest is among these.
Once one has deconstructed prior beliefs, systems of beliefs and world
views based on these system of beliefs, one is free to think in a rational
fashion and finds out in the process of an anticlimax, that the core idea
is nothing extraordinary, but reasonable, common sense and rational.

*What is the core content of the new approach?*

The new idea is as simple as the ground-breaking ideas in the examples
above are understood to be simple, credible, reasonable ideas today. It
says: “The world is made up of parts. These parts do not fit seamlessly.
There is a natural, inner crack in the system. The difference, serration at
the edges of the non-seamless fits of parts is what we experience and
observe as information.”

The hair-raising part comes from the implications. If the edifice of the
whole is not fitting seamlessly, then the units must necessarily be
different. We best imagine the units to be at least 3 dimensional. In our
perspectives so far, we have observed that special case, when the units’
*value* sides were aligned: these do indeed fit seamlessly. This is the
system we use today, since the Sumerians. For each building block, there is
a side on which the blocks are comparable and have a *value* measurement
property. These edges of the units are in use presently.

How do you tell?

Copernicus and Mendel have chosen to avoid social scandals that arrive from
the implications of the rational idea. Giordano and Galileo have entered
the field of social conflicts arising from the meaning of the implications
of a rational idea. Darwin has followed a middle path.

Having shown that the concept of unit can well use an update on the
Sumerian design principle, and that within a cohort of individual units
typical movement and agglomeration patterns appear as soon as the
collection of elementary units is subjected to periodic changes, the
communication of the relevant central, rational, simple idea has been
achieved.

The difference between making money and working.

The business of being a part of the establishment supports its
participants. A notable contribution a few months ago, stated in a veiled
form, but quite clearly that the goal of the game is being cited and being
spoken about muchly. The rational content in the contribution towards the
ultimate theory of phlogiston is of secondary importance. Important is,
that one’s contribution be *en vogue.*

I such an environment, the individual voice does not count for much. One
may say, repeatedly, in diverse forms: “Say, look here! Look at what units
do all by their own nature! Look across this window here, they you see them
generating their own order. You all are looking thru the window that shows
us the elements in their habitat in Wintertime! The elements are all frozen
still and are immobile and can be measured on their taille exactly. In the
landscape you see thru the Sumerian window, the parts fit seamlessly into a
whole. In the Summer landscape we see thru this window here, that would be
a special case. The elements crouch, stretch, sit and move in dependence of
the requirements imposed by periodic changes. One will hardly find such a
party that the sum of their lengths is agreeing to a theoretically expected
value. There is a divergence between the Winter and the Summer behavior of
the elements in their habitat. The divergence is partly inbuilt (seen in
the ejection and attraction patterns of groups of elements, relative to
each other), partly situational, caused by the momentary phase in periodic
changes.”



The basic question is whether it is judged profitable by members of the
establishment to take away time from the profitable discussions on
phlogiston and spend time and brain on a walk to a new window, look out,
concentrate and try to understand the picture. No one pays the
establishment for doing work. What they are understood to have do is to
become and stay established and actively further the stability of the
establishment.



Copernicus needed some 100 years after his death to be understood. In the
case of Mendel, it was 17. In the case of the immanent crack in the
numbering system, one could still do a Darwin.

Am Mi., 18. Jan. 2023 um 11:39 Uhr schrieb Dr. Plamen L. Simeonov <
plamen.l.simeonov en gmail.com>:

> Thank you Joseph, Francesco and Guy!
>
> So education with response-ability is the answer that we more or less what
> we all in this forum try to address the crises that humanity faces today
> with a sight back in the past and forth into the stars with concerns about
> the future of our species. Are not these changes happening at a pace so
> quickly now, not comparable with familiar evolutionary agents (incl.
> viruses and climate changes) that our bodies have overcome and adapted to
> successfully over generations so far? Our modern era deals with myriads of
> external agents simultaneously incl. EMF and insufficiently tested genetic
> therapy medications which directly affect our human nature that has slowly
> evolved over millions of years.
>
> Guy’s response which I forwarded to the FIS forum earlier makes an
> interesting bow and brings us back to the Bible story about the tree of
> knowledge with its forbidden fruits that made us recognize good and evil -
> the nucleus of the atom, that was called so to remain indivisible, and the
> nucleus of the living cell. „Don’t touch the running system,” a computer
> guy and a car mechanic told me a long time ago.
>
>
>
> Who knows how many civilizations before us were destroyed by their
> curiosity? We have created many tech menaces without knowing the real
> hazards they hide. Now, LTE/6G wireless tech is planned for 2030 when human
> beings are going to become walking antennas and batteries like in the movie
> „The Matrix“. But we already know that radiation from 3G mobile phones
> kills stem cells in the bone marrow when carried in the pockets and
> generates tumors in the brain when talking as usual. Why do we do that? Why
> did we get used to technology that is not safe (enough)? It is human nature
> to be be curious and adventurous. What if this disappears?
>
>
>
> Early this morning two thoughts popped up in my mind. Who makes this
> happen? You might have experienced this phenomenon earlier. Suddenly, a
> stream of clear messages pours into your conscious mind. Did anybody open a
> channel? I don’t know. I woke up and began pondering on them.
>
>
>
> The first thought was about the Book of John/Revelation which tells us how
> the journey ends. This could be a bifurcation point where we could deepen
> the discussion about whole teachings as archetypes and the legacy of
> Christianity in the modern world. The second thought was about the possibly
> unnecessary worries we have with the (imposed (artificial)) crises, --
> “polycrises” as Klaus Schwab explains us in his stereotype prophecies from
> Davos, -- we try to find a way out right now. Two weeks ago, I met one of
> you by coincidence led by unknown forces/circumstances. This happened to be
> someone who has come to the same solution I had (been poured with?)
> probably simultaneously with me, but came much further than I in its
> realization, because he did not discourage himself as I did. I hope that he
> will present us with this idea during our discussion; he is invited to join
> us. We can only wait. Yet, even if this does not happen, here is the
> conclusion/hypothesis/lesson I draw at that moment:
>
>
>
> *Changes to remove the problems are already happening. Ideas are popping
> up in many minds simultaneously and solutions are on the way. Instead, we
> probably discuss in vain something like trying to explain QM in terms of
> classical mechanics. Yet, this discussion is still part of the action
> (potential) required to be discharged to make the necessary changes happen
> and everything that happened in the past in our shared universe was right
> and had to be so. What do you think?*
>
>
>
> What were people doing in tough times before us? They prayed alone or in
> groups to God, the angels, and the saints, -- not necessary in a church,
> but anywhere, -- and this made them confident that they will be heard and
> that help will come. They believed that the mere act of praying is already
> fighting for them and for the positive outcome of the situation. What made
> them trust in the power of prayer, not only in Christianity, but in
> indigenous cultures as well? Did someone come behind the Global
> Consciousness project of Roger Nelson I mentioned earlier (
> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://noosphere.princeton.edu__;!!D9dNQwwGXtA!Ss_3ErIIU1PVQlSl5tkhExQidvRlsiC228DkVoq_Uj_c_ZzyjDmpAHlLk0cyX45K3Vs0hq1LxdA677dLst56EmvrKs0$ 
> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://noosphere.princeton.edu__;!!D9dNQwwGXtA!VrVwojXhrkVLurnk4xx3znQLOc_BlOgEd8SGz1Km3kSUNg6Lt_ARbmDrZS93YY3DJVeyGdr3TGnUogRRbLMRL7ViB9GA$>)?
> It is probably not a coincidence that Pierre Teilhard de Chardin, a Jesuit
> monk and scientist like Rudjer Boskovic, also a Jesuit monk and scientist
> who discovered the (EM) wave theory 100+ years before Faraday and Maxwell,
> is the author of the Noösphere idea mentioned earlier in this forum.
>
>
>
>
> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://teilhard.com/2013/08/13/the-noosphere-part-i-teilhard-de-chardins-vision/__;!!D9dNQwwGXtA!Ss_3ErIIU1PVQlSl5tkhExQidvRlsiC228DkVoq_Uj_c_ZzyjDmpAHlLk0cyX45K3Vs0hq1LxdA677dLst56c7suuLo$ 
> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://teilhard.com/2013/08/13/the-noosphere-part-i-teilhard-de-chardins-vision/__;!!D9dNQwwGXtA!VrVwojXhrkVLurnk4xx3znQLOc_BlOgEd8SGz1Km3kSUNg6Lt_ARbmDrZS93YY3DJVeyGdr3TGnUogRRbLMRL3b6q4M_$>
>
>
>
> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.organism.earth/library/document/formation-of-the-noosphere__;!!D9dNQwwGXtA!Ss_3ErIIU1PVQlSl5tkhExQidvRlsiC228DkVoq_Uj_c_ZzyjDmpAHlLk0cyX45K3Vs0hq1LxdA677dLst56_0kehqM$ 
> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.organism.earth/library/document/formation-of-the-noosphere__;!!D9dNQwwGXtA!VrVwojXhrkVLurnk4xx3znQLOc_BlOgEd8SGz1Km3kSUNg6Lt_ARbmDrZS93YY3DJVeyGdr3TGnUogRRbLMRL0yNeHNG$>
>
>
>
> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-3-030-84570-4_7__;!!D9dNQwwGXtA!Ss_3ErIIU1PVQlSl5tkhExQidvRlsiC228DkVoq_Uj_c_ZzyjDmpAHlLk0cyX45K3Vs0hq1LxdA677dLst56Hu45WUg$ 
> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-3-030-84570-4_7__;!!D9dNQwwGXtA!VrVwojXhrkVLurnk4xx3znQLOc_BlOgEd8SGz1Km3kSUNg6Lt_ARbmDrZS93YY3DJVeyGdr3TGnUogRRbLMRLy4GnX5N$>
>
>
>
> Maybe we need this kind of unstoppable unifying curiosity, trust and love
> for all human beings.
>
> Here below is the kind of work we can embrace for a new beginning within
> this circle.
>
> This workshop invitation from Marcin Schroeder made my day early this
> morning, a lucky synchronicity in my view.
>
> I share it with those who might be interested to attend this event, if he
> has not done this already.
>
>
> ++++++++++++++++++++++
>
>
>  *14**th **INTERNATIONAL WORKSHOP ON NATURAL COMPUTING at TOHOKU
> UNIVERSITY, SENDAI, JAPAN *
>
> *January 20-22, 2023 *
>
>
> *All presentations, talks, and discussions are in Room 115, Global
> Learning Center, Building A12 on Kawauchi Campus (North) of Tohoku
> University (*entrance to A12 is about 50 meters SW (up the hill) from
> Kawauchi Subway Station – easy-to-spot a white vending machine with the
> name KIRIN next to the entrance). All sessions will be accessible via ZOOM
> sessions. Please feel free to share the invitation link with your friends
> who are interested in the subject.
>
> *For those who will participate via ZOOM: *
>
> Zoom Meeting Link
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> ++++++++++++++++++++++
>
>
> Best,
>
>
>
> Plamen
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 18, 2023 at 10:28 AM joe.brenner en bluewin.ch <
> joe.brenner en bluewin.ch> wrote:
>
>> To : plamen.l.simeonov en gmail.com
>> Cc : joe.brenner en bluewin.ch, ghatchard en gmail.com, fis en listas.unizar.es,
>> pedroc.marijuan en gmail.com, heiko en pax-terra-musica.de,
>> bruno.marchal en insas.be, dai.griffiths.1 en gmail.com
>>
>> Thank you, Plamen. The tradition in which Nagarjuna worked goes back
>> another 700 years or so till the time of Buddha if not earlier: real
>> “roots”!
>>
>>  Now, Francesco wrote that 1) “Only information measured (measurable) in
>> bits of entropy can be traced back to to Aristotelian-binary logic.
>>
>>  And 2) There is no information that is not understood in a
>> contradictory-probabilistic way. So complexity has an inherent limitation
>> that implies the need for selection, contingency and risk.” These
>> statements are necessary but for me insufficient, since the proper way in
>> which the need can be approached in logic, for example by the non-semantic
>> Lupasco system, is not spelled out.
>>
>>  Plamen asked: “But how can we achieve such a giant change in all human
>> thinking? Perhaps the only way to do this is genetic editing as the
>> transhumanists promote. But what is the price of such fast evolution and do
>> we want this?”
>>
>>  My answer, in agreement with Guy, is absolutely not! This would be a
>> step backward to a *Deus ex machina* “solution”. For me the only way is
>> to deepen the connection between science, in particular information and
>> cognitive science and a logic that expresses the core of the Eastern
>> insights, without the need for *any *theology.
>>
>> Thank you and best wishes,
>>
>> Joseph
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ----Original Message----
>> From : 13francesco.rizzo en gmail.com
>> Date : 18/01/2023 - 07:06 (E)
>>
>> Caro Giuseppe,
>>
>> solo l’informazione misurata in *bit *di entropia è riconducibile alla
>> logica aristotelico-binaria. Per il resto, inerente ai sistemi complessi
>> ineliminabili, non v’ha informazione che non venga intesa con modalità
>> contraddittorio-probabilistiche. Quindi la complessità presenta una *limitazione
>> intrinseca* che implica la necessità di selezione, *contingenza* e
>> rischio. In termini operativo-matematici adotto una matrice interattiva
>> avente una teoria economica del valore multi-fattoriale (esagonale) che
>> risente di un’indeterminazione simile a quella, anch’essa matriciale, di
>> W.K. Heisenberg. Se non ricordo male, Ti ho fatto avere *La scienza non
>> può non essere umana, civile, sociale, **economi(c)a**, enigmatica,
>> nobile e profetica* [92] assai significativa in proposito. Inoltre,
>> nella mail del 14.1. 2023 ho fatto intravedere come il sistema
>> fabbrica-mercato (azienda) sia un processo di tras-in-formazione basato
>> proprio sulle strutture dissipative che creano ordine (output o beni
>> prodotti) dal disordine (costi degli input) mediante instabilità o
>> fluttuazioni. Ora basta, perché sono impegnato a concludere la composizione
>> di un libro (per me) molto importante.
>>
>> Francesco
>>
>> Dear Joseph,
>>
>> only information measured in bits of entropy can be traced back to
>> Aristotelian-binary logic. For the rest, inherent to ineliminable complex
>> systems, there is no information that is not understood in a
>> contradictory-probabilistic way. So complexity has an inherent limitation
>> that implies the need for selection, contingency and risk. In
>> operational-mathematical terms, I adopt an interactive matrix having an
>> economic theory of multi-factorial value (hexagonal) which suffers from an
>> indeterminacy similar to that, also matrix-based, of W.K. Heisenberg. If I
>> remember correctly, I made you have Science cannot fail to be human, civil,
>> social, economic, enigmatic, noble and prophetic [92] very significant in
>> this regard. Furthermore, in the email dated 14.1. 2023 I showed how the
>> factory-market system (company) is a process of trans-in-formation based
>> precisely on the dissipative structures that create order (output or goods
>> produced) from disorder (input costs) through instability or fluctuations.
>> That's enough, because I'm busy finishing the composition of a very
>> important book (for me).
>>
>> Francis,
>>
>> Il giorno mar 17 gen 2023 alle ore 17:45 Dr. Plamen L. Simeonov <
>> plamen.l.simeonov en gmail.com> ha scritto:
>>
>>> This is a brilliant idea, Joseph!
>>> Thank you for reminding us of this text. Yes, of course. But how can we
>>> achieve such a giant change in all human thinking? One might assume that
>>> the Tetralemma is already embodied in someone's DNA which is a rare
>>> mutation. Ted told us about the different thinking patterns of native folks
>>> and this is all true, but these ways of thinking did not penetrate much
>>> into our civilized world of today. Can we expect such an enhancement within
>>> the shortest period of time? Perhaps the only way to do this is genetic
>>> editing as the transhumanists promote. But what is the price of such fast
>>> evolution and do we want this?
>>> I will have another comment on this later.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Plamen
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jan 17, 2023 at 5:32 PM joe.brenner en bluewin.ch <
>>> joe.brenner en bluewin.ch> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dear Plamen, Dear Francesco and All,
>>>>
>>>> From a philosophical standpoint, it is possible that some of our
>>>> problems are due to retention of binary thinking, maintained in the form of
>>>> bivalent logic and dilemmas of all kinds. One way out is to move to a more
>>>> complex lemmic structure of thought, such as the Tetralemma of Nagarjuna,
>>>> recently reinterpreted by Japanese Yamauchi Tokuryu (accessible in French).
>>>> Does it help to talk about chicken and egg, chicken or egg, neither chicken
>>>> nor egg, both chicken and egg? It does not, because "chicken" and "egg" are
>>>> simple objects. But if you apply the principle of the Tetralemma to the
>>>> contradictorial properties of information, it may. *A suivre.*
>>>> Comments on the two thinkers mentioned would be most welcome.
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>> Joseph
>>>>
>>>> ----Original Message----
>>>> From : plamen.l.simeonov en gmail.com
>>>> Date : 17/01/2023 - 12:43 (E)
>>>> To : 13francesco.rizzo en gmail.com
>>>> Cc : dai.griffiths.1 en gmail.com, ghatchard en gmail.com,
>>>> heiko en pax-terra-musica.de, pedroc.marijuan en gmail.com,
>>>> bruno.marchal en insas.be, fis en listas.unizar.es, joe.brenner en bluewin.ch
>>>> Subject : Re: [Fis] THE ROOTS OF MODERN CIVILISATION--transformers
>>>>
>>>> Caro Francesco, Nikita, cari tutti,
>>>>
>>>> catching on (self-)consciousness! I had great feedback on this topic
>>>> from Guy Hatchard in another forum last night which I forward here with his
>>>> permission because it makes a nice link to what we talked about before. Guy
>>>> is also invited to our discussion here, so you can respond to him directly.
>>>> Dear Guy, please use the email address  f*is en listas.unizar.es*  to
>>>> reach all on the FIS forum. I do hope you have filled the form on the
>>>> server you were sent a link to a while ago; please check your spam box. (If
>>>> not, please let me know.)
>>>>
>>>> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>>
>>>> You might like this release which seems relevant to this thread
>>>>
>>>> *The Origin of Life, Consciousness, and Gene Editing*
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The general public has been educated to regard DNA as the molecule
>>>> which unravelled the mystery of the origin of life. When you hear that a
>>>> mystery is solved, there is a tendency to want to go home, put your feet
>>>> up, stop worrying, and start looking for something more interesting such as
>>>> pizza and chips or a good movie.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> In fact, the suggestion that we know how life originated is not just an
>>>> oversimplification, it is a completely misleading suggestion. DNA does not
>>>> exist as a naked molecule. It only functions within the cell. Molecular
>>>> mechanisms in the cell read the information in the DNA and translate this
>>>> into hundreds of proteins used in the body for a myriad of functions. The
>>>> transcription and translation of genetic information is achieved via a
>>>> complex information-processing system utilizing many types of nucleic acids
>>>> (mRNA, tRNA, and others) and many specific enzymes. These form a tightly
>>>> integrated system of systems.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> More than a hundred highly complex proteins are involved in
>>>> translation. The paradox therein has not escaped commentators, these
>>>> proteins cannot themselves be made except by DNA. The late British
>>>> philosopher Sir Karl Popper mused for example:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *“What makes the origin of life and the genetic code a disturbing
>>>> riddle is this: the code cannot be translated except by certain products of
>>>> its own translation.”*
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> In simple terms, the cell presents a chicken and egg paradox. It is
>>>> impossible to decide which came first—proteins or DNA. Cells present a
>>>> complex system of multiple interdependent parts and it is therefore hard to
>>>> imagine how the whole system came into being. It is a self-referral system
>>>> which functions holistically.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Self-referral systems point to fundamental principles and laws that
>>>> characterise the search for unified field theories of physics.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Let’s conceptually break down cellular functions:
>>>>
>>>>    - DNA contains strings of information, like the software programme
>>>>    of a computer.
>>>>    - The information in the DNA is accessed by forms of RNA, aided by
>>>>    multiple enzymatic proteins and then conveyed to the Ribosome.
>>>>    - The Ribosome manufactures proteins, some of which are the same
>>>>    proteins which aid transcription and translation of DNA.
>>>>    - Crucially the whole system is integrated within the cell—it
>>>>    refers to itself.
>>>>
>>>> Do we know any other systems which work in an analogous self-referral
>>>> way? Yes we do. Our everyday process of experience in which there is an
>>>>  *observer*, a *process of observation*, and an *object of perception* all
>>>> integrated within our *consciousness*, our sense of self. In this
>>>> analogy:
>>>>
>>>>    - The DNA is like the observer—which is both a constant controlling
>>>>    source of information for the whole project of perception whose memory gets
>>>>    updated by events or experiences
>>>>    - The RNA is like the process of observation, it reads the DNA and
>>>>    it connects with and creates proteins.
>>>>    - The proteins are similar to the objects of our perception, they
>>>>    are very diversified and active like our environment, and they keep us
>>>>    alive.
>>>>    - Our abstract consciousness or sense of self and identity is a
>>>>    silent witness to the whole process and keeps it all together.
>>>>
>>>> This three-in-one structure of consciousness is therefore a source
>>>> candidate for the origin of life. The more so, because one primary function
>>>> of our physiology as a whole seems to be to act as a platform for
>>>> consciousness to express itself.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Cells divide and thereby replicate themselves. Each new human life
>>>> begins with a single cell which grows into a complete person through
>>>> replication. Imagine a machine which makes lego bricks. Lego bricks are
>>>> inanimate. Each new lego brick is independent of every other lego brick. It
>>>> takes the consciousness of a person to assemble them into something
>>>> meaningful.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Cells however are alive, as they divide and grow, each new cell is
>>>> connected with a whole system, each new cell is connected to the unique
>>>> identity of the person—their consciousness. Cells are bound together, not
>>>> just mechanistically, but they are part of a system that is alive in the
>>>> sense that a person is alive—creative, intelligent, self-aware, emotional,
>>>> and so on.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Our physiology has an extraordinary capacity to coordinate the activity
>>>> of trillions of diverse types of cells and structures within a single whole
>>>> system internally communicating while maintaining homeostasis and repair.
>>>> This also supports a consistent human identity which at the same time
>>>> communicates intelligently with other humans. This points to the
>>>> involvement of more universal abstract unified physical laws and also to
>>>> the primary role of consciousness in human life and physiology.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Consciousness is a very good candidate for the source of individual
>>>> life forms for other reasons. In the structure of natural law, more
>>>> fundamental explanatory principles are always more abstract. Consciousness
>>>> is undoubtedly the most abstract concept with which we are familiar.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The qualities which regulate cellular function are also analogous to
>>>> the functions of consciousness in other very important ways. In the
>>>> cellular environment and whole system these factors are crucial:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *Shape*—molecules have to fit into spaces to function and may also
>>>> form larger systems aided by quasi crystallization processes and molecular
>>>> folding. There are ‘jigsaw’ or ‘lock and key’ mechanisms whereby only
>>>> certain components of a molecule can bond with other molecules.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *Viscosity*—the cellular system is a ‘wet’ or fluid environment whose
>>>> characteristics must remain optimised for smooth transport of components.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *Navigation*—cellular components must be able to navigate their way
>>>> around the cell. This is no small task, there are 42 million molecules in
>>>> the average cell.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *Vibration*—there are vibrational modes of all molecules which are
>>>> modulated by their energy and the temperature of the cellular environment.
>>>> There are integrated energy sources in cells and feedback loops to maintain
>>>> this and other functions.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *Timing*—the sequences of events and their timing are crucial for
>>>> cellular function.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> These processes bear some relationship with the physiology of
>>>> perception and decision-making. These could be the subject of future
>>>> discussion, but for the moment consider the complexity of the cell and its
>>>> dependence on its own self-referral integrated functioning.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The introduction, as happens with mRNA vaccination, of foreign
>>>> genetically active components could and does upset this integrated balanced
>>>> functioning. The introduced genetic material has functions that differ from
>>>> expected cellular functions, it has a different shape, carries different
>>>> information, bonds and folds differently, etc.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> What does this mean in layman’s terms? This Christmas we had some
>>>> guests who used our clothes dryer. Unaware of its routine care, they failed
>>>> to empty the condensed water before using it, it overflowed internally and
>>>> the dryer stopped working. Yesterday I took it to bits, cleaned and dried
>>>> it out, and now it works again. Effectively I reset it to its factory
>>>> condition. Very often complex equipment such as computers have software
>>>> fixes to restore initial factory settings, which are used in case the
>>>> parameters or sequence of instructions have failed. However this doesn’t
>>>> solve all problems as every computer owner eventually finds out.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Cells have their own internal reset buttons. Every day hundreds of
>>>> thousands of repair jobs are carried out in each cell whereby the integrity
>>>> of DNA and a myriad of other crucial parameters are preserved. mRNA
>>>> vaccination actually aims to override these safety factors and retask some
>>>> cells to perform an entirely different function. You can imagine what can
>>>> go wrong. The cell may never recover its factory settings. It might, and
>>>> research now shows it often does, go on producing toxic spike protein and
>>>> sending it around the physiology for some time. We are left like a little
>>>> child, who having inquisitively torn off the arms of its favourite toy,
>>>> sits and weeps with disappointment when parental repairs are not possible.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Having investigated and proposed an intimate connection between the
>>>> cell and consciousness. It appears obvious that mRNA vaccination could put
>>>> the integrity and stability of our consciousness, physiology, survival, and
>>>> even our identity at risk. Certainly we are seeing an unprecedented range
>>>> of adverse effects proximate to mRNA vaccination extending to neurology,
>>>> cancers, and cardiac effects affecting organs, and organ systems. Such
>>>> effects appear in some cases to be related to the dispersion of inoculated
>>>> foreign genetic material in physiology carrying rogue instructions.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Health systems around the world are struggling to arrive at effective
>>>> responses to these adverse effects. A sensible diet, exercise, and rest are
>>>> always an aid to health conditions along with many other approaches known
>>>> to medicine, but the extent that these can facilitate the self repair of
>>>> deliberate genetic modification is unknown.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Because consciousness is fundamental to physiology, there are
>>>> reasonable grounds to suppose there are techniques of meditation,
>>>> technologies of consciousness, which can at least partially assist with
>>>> recovery from health conditions resulting from mRNA vaccination. I have
>>>> discussed these at length elsewhere in my book Your DNA Diet along with
>>>> over 800 references to research demonstrating physiological, psychological,
>>>> and sociological  benefits of meditation.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> However, there is no evidence at present suggesting this or any other
>>>> approach will be curative for serious long term damage from genetic
>>>> modification. There appears, in the case of those who might be seriously
>>>> impacted by genetic dysfunction, to be no external reset button to rewind
>>>> the clock of gene editing. There are no known magic bullets. Any possible
>>>> efficacy concerning recovery would first have to be assessed by research.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The main point I want to make in this article is to emphasise the
>>>> extreme risks of genetic manipulation. Nature’s designer went to great
>>>> lengths to place the cell and especially the cell nucleus off limits to
>>>> interference and modification. It is at the core of life and its
>>>> perpetuation via reproduction. Nature similarly ring-fenced the nucleus of
>>>> the atom for very good reasons. If we were unsure in any way before the
>>>> pandemic about the safety of gene editing, there should be no doubt now. It
>>>> should be off limits. Its continued use is an unfolding catastrophe.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> At GLOBE.GLOBAL we are calling for Global Legislation Outlawing
>>>> Biotechnology Experimentation.
>>>>
>>>> Guy Hatchard PhD
>>>> Website: HatchardReport.com
>>>> Home 094372012
>>>> Mob 022 636 7760
>>>> Skype Name: GuyHatchard
>>>>
>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Jan 16, 2023 at 5:45 AM Francesco Rizzo <
>>>> 13francesco.rizzo en gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Dear colleagues,
>>>>> both Plamen (who I hope received the email of 16.11 on January 14,
>>>>> 2023) and Nikita grasped the fundamental role of information of
>>>>> consciousness or of information consciousness that I raised in an
>>>>> immediate, simple and telegraphic-mathematical way, calling into question
>>>>> the discernment of good and evil operated by the moral conscience which is
>>>>> "the sanctuary where man is alone with God" (Gaudium et Spes, n, 16).
>>>>> All this com-proves the thinking thought of an economist who adopts
>>>>> the theory of value-information, which I am, and implies the application or
>>>>> the continuous adaptation of the change of logic or the logic of change
>>>>> intrinsic to the onto-epistem - concrete economic logic.
>>>>> Let's go on like this, helping each other, otherwise the consciousness
>>>>> of science or the science of consciousness derails, liquefies or vanishes.
>>>>> Thank you and best wishes for a good joint research.
>>>>> Francis.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cari colleghi,
>>>>>
>>>>> sia Plamen (che mi auguro abbia ricevuto la mail delle ore 16.11 del
>>>>> 14 gennaio 2023) che Nikita hanno colto il ruolo fondamentale
>>>>> dell’informazione della coscienza o della coscienza dell’informazione che
>>>>> ho sollevato in un modo immediato, semplice e telegrafico-matematico,
>>>>> chiamando in causa il discernimento del bene e del male operato dalla
>>>>> coscienza morale che è “il sacrario dove l’uomo è solo con Dio” (*Gaudium
>>>>> et Spes*, n, 16).
>>>>>
>>>>> Tutto ciò com-prova il pensiero pensante di un economista che adotta
>>>>> la teoria del valore-informazione, quale io sono, e implica l’applicazione
>>>>> o l’ad-attamento continuo del cambiamento della logica o della logica del
>>>>> cambiamento intrinseco alla onto-epistemo-logica economica concreta.
>>>>>
>>>>> Andiamo avanti cosi, autandoci reciprocamente, altrimenti la coscienza
>>>>> della scienza o la scienza della coscienza deraglia, si liquefà o svanisce.
>>>>> Grazie e auguri di un buon lavoro di comune ricerca.
>>>>>
>>>>> Francesco.
>>>>>
>>>>> Il giorno lun 16 gen 2023 alle ore 04:15 Dr. Plamen L. Simeonov <
>>>>> plamen.l.simeonov en gmail.com> ha scritto:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dear Colleagues,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you so much for your reflections and opinions. Let me try
>>>>>> wrapping up your messages into an effort to derive some conclusions and
>>>>>> move to the next phase.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1.     There is view on history as a huge set of data as a
>>>>>> multidimensional vector space which can be analyzed for regular patterns
>>>>>> and anomalies in social and cultural organization in Europe during a period
>>>>>> of decay and crises to reverse-engineer promising paths of success that
>>>>>> enable society to recover and elevate on a higher level of moral, cultural,
>>>>>> scientific and technological organization. The Christian monastic system
>>>>>> was suggested as such a recovery model/motor. It not only enabled the
>>>>>> integration of the invading barbarian tribes into a family of nations with
>>>>>> common values, but also the transition of the achievements of the antiquity
>>>>>> (architecture, art, literature, poetry, theatre, music, law, etc.) that
>>>>>> were centered around celebrating deities, but then developed into what
>>>>>> became humanistic in later centuries. Jesus was of human origin. There is
>>>>>> no nation/state/civilization without a common identity in terms of
>>>>>> language, mora/law, spirit/traditions, values and culture.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2.     There is a scientific juxtaposition of history as a
>>>>>> (hierarchical) set of interacting dynamic bifurcation compositions/agents
>>>>>> in every process of physical organization including those of social
>>>>>> structures derived from the nature of the phenomenon. In the case of human
>>>>>> beings, these are e.g. their genes, neurons and other forms of “hardware”
>>>>>> with the resulting higher-level biological organization (perception,
>>>>>> cognition, consciousness) that determine fundamental abstractions and
>>>>>> notions such as those of “thingness”, “duration”, “causality”,
>>>>>> “equality/equivalence”, ”logic”, “belief”, “ownership”, etc. along
>>>>>> with their dual opposites (“good/evil”) which on their part determine
>>>>>> further complex derivatives (language, science, technology, moral, etc.)
>>>>>> and determine the course of history through interactions. The outcomes of
>>>>>> historic events can be traceable or stochastic depending on which
>>>>>> substrates are settled and which forces act upon them, incl. those of
>>>>>> nature itself with its own “wiring” which often remain elusive/hidden for
>>>>>> the human mind’s reach.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Note 1:* (group) prayer and belief is also a viable agent within
>>>>>> this context. Wrong/fake concepts can also systematically/stochastically
>>>>>> change the course of history.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Note 2:* the special role of *time* as an agency of changes which
>>>>>> can be regarded not only as a derivative of changes in other agents, but
>>>>>> also such upon itself (time/tense!)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Note 3:* the tight balance between (enforced)
>>>>>> state/composition/sharing of a form of organization/civilization incl. the
>>>>>> transition to another one in time, and Bohm’s hidden variables potential in
>>>>>> terms of cycles/loops of recursion which become agents as well.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Note 4:* Rewiring into the historical information flow is possible
>>>>>> incl. empiricism (Oliver Heaviside: “Mathematics is an experimental
>>>>>> science, and definitions do not come first, but later on.”) and intuition,
>>>>>> the link to the humanities and art. Medicine is supposed to operate at this
>>>>>> edge. The crises of integrity/credibility affect all disciplines, however.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 3.     There is also a third moral juxtaposition in the discernment
>>>>>> between dualities such as good/evil, order/chaos, beautiful/ugly within the
>>>>>> three major roots/virtues of shared/divided reality/civilization:
>>>>>> scientific-biological, humanistic and technical-scientific (with some
>>>>>> modifications). || C'è anche un terzo accostamento morale nel discernimento
>>>>>> tra dualità come bene/male, ordine/caos, bello/brutto all'interno delle tre
>>>>>> grandi radici/virtù della realtà/civiltà condivisa/divisa:
>>>>>> scientifica-biologica, umanistica e tecnico-scientifica ( con alcune
>>>>>> modifiche).
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Now, is it possible to derive a pragmatic approach to solve our
>>>>>> present problems when having these 3 juxtapositions at hand? What if the
>>>>>> funny, superficial view that our modern techno-emancipated society
>>>>>> has on the religious/philosophical controversies of the past is at
>>>>>> the base of our own “root” problems of today? Did science not become a
>>>>>> religion recently, when it comes to the public appearance of powerful and
>>>>>> influential people like Dr. Fauci who became famous with his motto “Follow
>>>>>> the science.” Is science supposed to be taken without questioning now? We
>>>>>> have already witnessed a redefinition of what a “vaccine” is supposed to be
>>>>>> in order to integrate an emergency authorized genetic therapy with quite
>>>>>> different outcomes according to CDC. Yet this is not an isolated case.
>>>>>> There is a whole history of manipulation of scientific truth to match the
>>>>>> financial and political interests of the powerful class and the corporate
>>>>>> capital. Our present era is literally shaken by biomedical fiascos
>>>>>> which began with the suicides of whistleblowers (thalidomide,
>>>>>> tobacco cancers), moved through the enforced distribution of
>>>>>> Methylphenidate (Ritalin), a CNS stimulation drug, on adolescents in the
>>>>>>  90's "decade of the brain", and ended in the current crisis of
>>>>>> opioid painkillers (obscene business) and the unknowns in the ongoing
>>>>>> COVID-19 pandemic.  At the same time, we witness the march of the
>>>>>> destructive woke ideologies which enforce the revision of nearly
>>>>>> everything, incl. history itself, initiated from the very same places that
>>>>>> once brought Enlightenment in Europe, the great universities, which became
>>>>>> incubators and laboratories of neo-barbarism and social
>>>>>> disintegration. How can we overcome this decay? Any ideas?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Plamen
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> PS. Today begins the meeting of the self-proclaimed world elite, WEF,
>>>>>> in Davos, CH. Do you think they are going to solve our problems?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, Jan 14, 2023 at 10:45 AM Dr. Plamen L. Simeonov <
>>>>>> plamen.l.simeonov en gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Caro Francesco,
>>>>>>> Grazie per la vostra risposta. Questa è un'osservazione molto
>>>>>>> interessante sulle scelte di civiltà che vorrei commentare per intero.
>>>>>>> Ho controllato la posta in arrivo e non sono riuscito a trovare la
>>>>>>> breve e-mail che mi hai inviato il 7 gennaio. Sarebbe così gentile da
>>>>>>> rispedircelo, per favore? Questo è successo alcune volte con altre email di
>>>>>>> amici con cui non sono in contatto da un po', da quando Google ha deciso di
>>>>>>> metterle nella cartella spam. Di solito lo controllo prima di eliminare i
>>>>>>> post spazzatura, ma chi lo sa? Puoi anche scrivermi direttamente a
>>>>>>> plamen en simeio.org. È possibile che il mailer FIS non funzioni
>>>>>>> correttamente. Molte cordiali grazie!
>>>>>>> Auguri,
>>>>>>> Plamen
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> + ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dear Fran cis,
>>>>>>> Thank you for your response. This is a very interesting remark about
>>>>>>> the choices of civilization which I'd like to comment on in full length.
>>>>>>> I checked my incoming post and could not find the short email which
>>>>>>> you have sent me on January 7th. Would you be so kind as to resend it,
>>>>>>> please? This happened a few times with other emails from friends I have not
>>>>>>> been in touch with for a while, since Google decided to put them in the
>>>>>>> spam folder. I usually control it before deleting the junk posts, but who
>>>>>>> knows? You can also write to me directly to plamen en simeio.org. It
>>>>>>> could be the case that the FIS mailer does not work properly. Many cordial
>>>>>>> thanks!
>>>>>>> Best wishes,
>>>>>>> Plamen
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sat, Jan 14, 2023 at 8:50 AM Francesco Rizzo <
>>>>>>> 13francesco.rizzo en gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Cari  Jerry, Joseph e Plamen,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Vi debbo con ritardo (perché avevo superato le tre mail settimanali
>>>>>>>> prescritte) due brevi risposte e l’integrazione di poche parole inerenti
>>>>>>>> esclusivamente alle cose di mia pertinenza o conoscenza e relative a quanto
>>>>>>>> ho scritto il Il 3 gennaio 2023, alle 22:59 e il 7 gennaio 2023
>>>>>>>> alle ore 18.18.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> - Jerry tu, fra l’altro, concludi il tuo ragionamento così: «Non
>>>>>>>> capisco il ragionamento di Prigogine che viene citato circa le"strutture
>>>>>>>> dissipative" di Ilya Prigogine che creano ordine (neg-entropia) dal
>>>>>>>> disordine (entropia) attraverso fluttuazioni o instabilità. COME
>>>>>>>> “attraverso fluttuazioni o instabilità” è correlato al concetto di
>>>>>>>> spontaneità. Ad esempio, in che modo il concetto di fluttuazioni si collega
>>>>>>>> alla vecchia economia e quali concetti aggiuntivi collegano le fluttuazioni
>>>>>>>> alla “ Nuova economia”?».
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Per rispondere a queste domande ci vorrebbero molte pagine che non
>>>>>>>> mi sono consentite. Quindi mi limito a ricordarTi quel che scrive I.
>>>>>>>> Prigogine ne *La Nuova Alleanza* (PBE, Torino, 1993):
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Capitolo quinto-I tre stadi della termodinamica- 3*. Lontani
>>>>>>>> dall’equilibrio. Le strutture dissipative* (…) La termodinamica
>>>>>>>> classica ci fornisce il concetto di “struttura di equilibrio”, come i
>>>>>>>> cristalli. Le cellule di Bènard sono pure esempi di strutture, ma di natura
>>>>>>>> assai diversa. Questa è la ragione per cui abbiamo introdotto il concetto
>>>>>>>> di strutture dissipative. (…) Qui la dissipazione dell’energia e della
>>>>>>>> materia (entropia) diventa in condizioni lontane dall’equilibrio, fonte di
>>>>>>>> ordine (neg-entropia). (…) Le strutture dissipative corrispondono ad una
>>>>>>>> forma di organizzazione super-molecolare. (…).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Capitolo sesto-L’ordine per fluttuazione (…). «Per dirlo in termini
>>>>>>>> antropomorfici: lontano dall’equilibrio la materia comincia a “percepire il
>>>>>>>> suo ambiente (…). Lontano dall’equilibrio le fluttuazioni ci permettono di
>>>>>>>> usare le differenze dell’ambiente per produrre differenti strutture. Una
>>>>>>>> volta di più vogliamo sottolineare l’importanza essenziale delle condizioni
>>>>>>>> di lontananza dall’equilibrio: “comunicazione” e “percezione” sono le
>>>>>>>> parole chiave del nuovo comportamento della materia lontano
>>>>>>>> dall’equilibrio» (pp. 148 e 170-71).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Aggiungo o ricordo che la comunicazione prevede la possibilità che
>>>>>>>> l’informazione sia talora definibile come entropia e come neg-entropia (e
>>>>>>>> quindi inversamente proporzionale all’entropia), ciò dipende dal fatto che
>>>>>>>> nel primo caso l’informazione è intesa solo come misura (in termini di bit)
>>>>>>>> di probabilità di un evento all’interno di un sistema-fonte equiprobabile e
>>>>>>>> nel secondo caso come informazione già selezionata, trasmessa e ricevuta,
>>>>>>>> sovrapponendo alla fonte-sistema equiprobabile un s-codice che la riduce,
>>>>>>>> riempiendola o svuotandola di significato semantico.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> La vecchia economia di queste cose non s’è mai occupata, mentre la
>>>>>>>> mia nuova economia è disseminata in dozzine di libri ai quali non posso
>>>>>>>> fare altro che rinviare, con la modestia di sempre.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -Joseph, tu mi dici che «il quadro di Prigogine è molto incompleto È
>>>>>>>> ciò che accade vicino all'equilibrionel processo mentale, dove i
>>>>>>>> livelli energetici delle strutture sono vicini tra loro, che è importante
>>>>>>>> quanto dove sono separati se non di più. Quanto al *cambiamento*,
>>>>>>>> tutto il mio sistema logico-filosofico si potrebbe chiamare *Logica
>>>>>>>> del Cambiamento*».
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Non è meglio chiamare *armonia*, quello che tu chiami equilibrio?
>>>>>>>> L’equilibrio è statico, senza vita, cadaverico sia in senso fisico o
>>>>>>>> metaforico. Difatti, quanti in economia si sono incaponiti a fondare questa
>>>>>>>> scienza sull’equilibrio ottimale e unico l’hanno privata di qualsiasi
>>>>>>>> consistenza teorica. E poi, permettimi di sottolineare anche l’importanza
>>>>>>>> del *cambiamento della logica* accostandolo al libricino di hegel
>>>>>>>> sulla Scienza della logica.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> - Infine, Plamen in data 7 gennaio 2023 alle ore 18.18 ti ho
>>>>>>>> mandato una brevissima mail che si conclude così: «queste tre
>>>>>>>> radici, telegraficamente espresse, confluiscono nella capacità-virtù del
>>>>>>>> discernimento del bene e del male». Ora esprimo meno sinteticamente questa
>>>>>>>> conclusione: «(…) confluiscono nella capacità virtù della coscienza che
>>>>>>>> opera il discernimento del bene e del male scegliendo il primo
>>>>>>>> v’ha la con-divisione della civiltà, scegliendo il secondo v’ha la
>>>>>>>> divisione dell’inciviltà».
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dear Jerry, Joseph and Plamen,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I owe you late (because I had exceeded the prescribed three weekly
>>>>>>>> emails) two brief replies and the addition of del male scegliendo
>>>>>>>> il primo v’ha la con-divisione della civiltà, scegliendo il secondo v’ha la
>>>>>>>> divisione dell’inciviltà».a few words relating exclusively to
>>>>>>>> things of my relevance or knowledge and related to what I wrote on January
>>>>>>>> 3, 2023, at 10:59 pm and on 7 January 2023 at 6.18 pm.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> - Jerry you, among other things, conclude your reasoning like this:
>>>>>>>> «I don't understand Prigogine's reasoning that is quoted about Ilya
>>>>>>>> Prigogine's "dissipative structures" that create order (neg-entropy) from
>>>>>>>> disorder (entropy) through fluctuations or instability. HOW “through
>>>>>>>> fluctuations or instability” is related to the concept of spontaneity. For
>>>>>>>> example, how does the concept of fluctuations relate to the old economy and
>>>>>>>> what additional concepts relate fluctuations to the 'New Economy'?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> To answer these questions it would take many pages that are not
>>>>>>>> allowed to me. So I limit myself to reminding you of what I. Prigogine
>>>>>>>> writes in La Nuova Alleanza (PBE, Turin, 1993): Fifth chapter-The
>>>>>>>> three stages of thermodynamics- 3. Far from equilibrium. Dissipative
>>>>>>>> structures (…) Classical thermodynamics provides us with the concept of
>>>>>>>> “equilibrium structure”, such as crystals. Benard's cells are also examples
>>>>>>>> of structures, but of a very different nature. This is the reason why we
>>>>>>>> have introduced the concept of dissipative structures. (…) Here the
>>>>>>>> dissipation of energy and matter (entropy) becomes, in conditions far from
>>>>>>>> equilibrium, a source of order (neg-entropy). (…) Dissipative structures
>>>>>>>> correspond to a form of super-molecular organization. (…).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sixth chapter-Order by fluctuation (…). «To put it in
>>>>>>>> anthropomorphic terms: far from equilibrium, matter begins to "perceive its
>>>>>>>> environment (...). Far from equilibrium, fluctuations allow us to use
>>>>>>>> differences in the environment to produce different structures. Once again
>>>>>>>> we want to underline the essential importance of the conditions of distance
>>>>>>>> from equilibrium: "communication" and "perception" are the key words of the
>>>>>>>> new behavior of matter away from equilibrium» (pp. 148 and 170-71).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I add or recall that the communication provides for the possibility
>>>>>>>> that information can sometimes be defined as entropy and as neg-enropy (and
>>>>>>>> therefore inversely proportional to the entropy), this depends on the fact
>>>>>>>> that in the first case the information is understood only as a measure ( in
>>>>>>>> terms of bits) of the probability of an event within an equiprobable
>>>>>>>> source-system and in the second case as information already selected,
>>>>>>>> transmitted and received, superimposing an s-code on the equiprobable
>>>>>>>> source-system which reduces it, filling or emptying it of semantic meaning.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The old economy never dealt with these things, while my new economy
>>>>>>>> is disseminated in dozens of books to which I can do nothing but refer,
>>>>>>>> with the usual modesty.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -Joseph, you tell me that«the Prigogine picture is very incomplete.
>>>>>>>> It is what happens near equilibrium in the mental process, where the energy
>>>>>>>> levels of the structures are close to each other, which is as important as
>>>>>>>> where they are separated if not more. As for change, my entire
>>>>>>>> logical-philosophical system could be called the Logic of Change».
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Isn't it better to call harmony, what you call balance? The balance
>>>>>>>> is static, lifeless, cadaverous in both a physical and metaphorical sense.
>>>>>>>> In fact, those in economics who have made a point of founding this science
>>>>>>>> on the optimal and unique equilibrium have deprived it of any theoretical
>>>>>>>> consistency. And then, let me also underline the importance of the change
>>>>>>>> in logic by comparing it to Hegel's little book on the Science of Logic.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> - Finally, Plamen, on 7 January 2023 at 18.18 I sent you a very
>>>>>>>> short email which concludes as follows: «these three roots, expressed
>>>>>>>> telegraphically, converge in the capacity-virtue of discerning good and
>>>>>>>> evil». Now I express this conclusion less succinctly: «(…) virtues of the
>>>>>>>> conscience which operate the discernment of good and evil flow into the
>>>>>>>> capacity by choosing the first there is the sharing of civilization,
>>>>>>>> choosing the second there is the division of incivility ».
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks to all three. A hug.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Francis
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Grazie a Tutti e tre. Un abbraccio.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Francesco
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Il giorno gio 12 gen 2023 alle ore 19:53 Marcus Abundis <
>>>>>>>> 55mrcs en gmail.com> ha scritto:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I am reading the posts with interest, but do not have a lot to add
>>>>>>>>>> – but I notice . . .
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> From Pedro's post,
>>>>>>>>> >  We suffer nowadays another strong imbalance between
>>>>>>>>> hyper-developed
>>>>>>>>> > computer and AI techs (Web, social networks, robotics, etc.)
>>>>>>>>> and some
>>>>>>>>> > infra-developed, scarcely coherent scientific fields--missing a
>>>>>>>>> parallel
>>>>>>>>> > information body which could bring a new understanding and
>>>>>>>>> consistency.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I think this is rather on point, but applying not just to the
>>>>>>>>>> current NY topic/discussion.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I feel that exploring THIS area would be of particular interest
>>>>>>>>> and import for the current NY discussion.
>>>>>>>>> Marcus
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