[Fis] Fwd: Re: emotions (From Howard)

konstantin lidin lidinkl at hotmail.com
Thu Apr 6 21:36:30 CEST 2023

Dear Pedro,
thank you for the informative comment and link to the ideas of Jaak Panksepp. This is similar to Daniel Kahneman's thought about System-1 and System-2 in the work of our brain.

System-1 really uses the emotions "joy-pride" and the neurotransmitters dopamine and serotonin associated with them as encouragement.

System-2 is much more diverse. Here, different emotions can act as a reward emotion (positive valence). This thesis is illustrated by the variety of surrogates that people use to replace natural endogenous neurotransmitters. For example, ethyl alcohol is similar in its emotional effect to gamma-aminobutyric acid (GABA). It increases the resistance of the nervous system to the passage of a nerve signal, that is, it weakens the flow of information (emotions of the "sadness" group). As a result, alcoholic beverages lower the threshold of behavioural reactions - self-control weakens, and a person shows impulses that are suppressed in a sober state. As they say, what is on the mind of a sober person is on the tongue of a drunk.

Among my acquaintances there are people who are committed to dangerous and extreme adventures. For them, the neurotransmitter of encouragement is adrenaline and norepinephrine (emotions of the group "fear" and "anger"). These are "adrenaline junkies" who are ready to risk their health and life for the sake of their gambling happiness.

As I wrote earlier, a variety of emotions are in demand on the market. This means that all of them can have a positive valence for someone
From: Fis <fis-bounces at listas.unizar.es> on behalf of Pedro C. Marijuán <pedroc.marijuan at gmail.com>
Sent: 04 April 2023 17:51
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Subject: [Fis] Fwd: Re: emotions (From Howard)

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Asunto:         Re: [Fis] emotions
Fecha:  Mon, 3 Apr 2023 23:22:05 +0000 (UTC)
De:     Howard Bloom <howlbloom at aol.com><mailto:howlbloom at aol.com>
Responder a:    Howard Bloom <howlbloom at aol.com><mailto:howlbloom at aol.com>
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wonderful stories.

i call the selves that yank your hand off a hot stove or that bond to a shark the "selves below the floorboards of the self."

according to my late acquaintance Jaak Panksepp, there are two major emotional brain centers--the hunting, seeking part that takes on challenges and is rewarded with dopamine.  and the bonding part of the brain, which, i suspect, works on oxytocin.

the bonding part of the brain was at work in the shark who fell in love with the fisherman who saved her.

with warmth and oomph--howard

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From: Roy Morrison <roy.morrison114 at yahoo.com><mailto:roy.morrison114 at yahoo.com>
To: Howard Bloom <howlbloom at aol.com><mailto:howlbloom at aol.com>; fis at listas.unizar.es<mailto:fis at listas.unizar.es> <fis at listas.unizar.es><mailto:fis at listas.unizar.es>; Jorge Navarro López <jnavarrol at unizar.es><mailto:jnavarrol at unizar.es>
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Subject: Re: [Fis] emotions

Is was a revelatory for me to watch the filmed interactions between a great white shark and a fisherman who saved her life  by cutting away the fish netting that entangled her that took a very long time..

The shark for days wanted to be close to this man.She rolled over on her belly for him to stroke her. Every day he went out to fish she would appear and want to close to him.

Clearly emotions are part of the shared genetically selected evolutionary development path that even a supposed heartless  killing machine predator gratitude, love, tenderness.

The enormous complexity of the human mind body system mediated by an ensemble of hormonal signals suggests a few points to me:

That emergence is the summary expression of emotion and thought is driven by chaotic dynamics where the stabilizing logistic curve of moderation and negative entropy is overtaken by strange attractors mediated by hormonal signals and the volume and intensity of informational flows. The strange attractors leading to the realization of conscious thought.

Strange attractors I suggest are the root of emergence of new thoughts and ideas and summary judgements.

Social theorist me was pondering the implications $90 trillion to be invested global transformation toward renewable energy and thinking how to make all energy users also become energy owns of  the renewable energy systems they used. After much typically unconscious deliberation the idea leaped to my mind that we could use tax equity as a means to transfer ownership to energy users who have contracted for renewable energy supply.

This was a repurposing of the dark arts of finance for social benefit. Our species and our brains have evolved to take advantage of the exquisite complexity of our complex information resources that lead toward amazing things like a patent clerk staring at the window and watching the trains and first conceptualizing and then writing equations for  the Special Theory of Relativity. Our social existence and our language ability then resonates globally through billions of creative minds. To reduce the complexity of the human mind as just another programed computer is another and most popular philosophical category error to confuse wiring code instructing a machine  with the zettabytes of information in dynamic and shifting action of the human brain.

The need to make quick summary judgements transmuted into taking action even before conscious thought take consciousness clearly evolutionarily selected. Once upon a time I was cutting down an old triple trunk dead elm tree in my farm pasture with a chain saw in my youthful foolishness. Aa I cut though one of the trunks, the but of the tree hinged to the other two suddenly swung back up toward my head. I jumped back before the thought that I could get killed came to consciousness. That's similar to pulling your hand off a hot stove before the pain signal makes your scream or shout.


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On Sunday, April 2, 2023 at 12:56:04 PM EDT, Jorge Navarro López <jnavarrol at unizar.es><mailto:jnavarrol at unizar.es> wrote:

Dear Howard and FIS colleagues,
Sorry for the delay to respond but I have had very complicated weeks.
Regarding sentiment analysis, in my new research group at the University of Zaragoza, we have developed a new approach based on the combination of machine learning techniques, in particular sentiment analysis using lexicons, and multivariate statistical methods in order to assess the evolution of public opinion and social mood during social crises and natural disasters. Specifically:

  *   Public opinion on the Covid-19 vaccination process in Spain (via analysis of Twitter messages): 10.1016/j.puhe.2022.12.003 <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://doi.org/10.1016/j.puhe.2022.12.003__;!!D9dNQwwGXtA!Tq_3t8ANuucqGc7VWAY8pdd_llK9KFP1oYCuWAlg37TJT6TX99iZJMrnOCek7snlH2xuBzbHAnLtnuek4FBGoy1ZAymR$>
  *   Press media impact of the Cumbre Vieja volcano activity in the island of La Palma (Canary Islands, Spain): https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=4292722__;!!D9dNQwwGXtA!RxbBsOlB5vdNMbj3Lq-RrmezohNIZ2TvkR0aZspvy95eUURXRJMSSzAxoJePoT-_fXPwj9u52OI3PO6gVIM$ <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=4292722__;!!D9dNQwwGXtA!Tq_3t8ANuucqGc7VWAY8pdd_llK9KFP1oYCuWAlg37TJT6TX99iZJMrnOCek7snlH2xuBzbHAnLtnuek4FBGox0RDJC7$>

The approach has also shown utility, in an indirect way, to gauge the social support for public policies during the catastrophes. Some results using Fourier transform are rather impresive.
Perhaps the approach is not very advanced in its conceptualization of the basic emotions (anger, fear, anticipation, trust, surprise, sadness, joy, and disgust) and three valences regarding sentiments (positive, neutral, and negative). Actually I am working with Pedro in some better connection of sentiment analysis with the complex landscape of social emotions--so much abused in social networks. We think our concept of the "sociotype" could be useful to understand better the different kinds of social emotions and to denounce their perverse use in social media.
Jorge Navarro


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