[Fis] [External Email] Re: Biological computation session - Kickoff Text. Comment

[Koichiro Matsuno]

Sunday, June 19, 2022 1:34 AM, joe.brenner at bluewin.ch <mailto:joe.brenner at bluewin.ch>  wrote;

 

> I believe we may consider an area of science in which a dynamics of simultaneous actuality-potentiality provides the necessary macroscopic explanations, in which the processes involved are nevertheless quantum-like, 

 

  Quantum Mechanics is peculiar in allowing for both symbolic and indexical languages as demonstrated in the non-commutability of some indexical operations. Likewise, such concurrent participation of the both types of languages remains wide open even to various macroscopic disciplines without referring to QM directly. 

 

   Best,

   Koichiro

 

 

 

From: Fis < <mailto:fis-bounces at listas.unizar.es> fis-bounces at listas.unizar.es> On Behalf Of  <mailto:joe.brenner at bluewin.ch> joe.brenner at bluewin.ch
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Subject: Re: [Fis] [External Email] Re: Biological computation session - Kickoff Text. Comment

 

Dear Gordana, Andrei, Nikita, Stan, and All, 

If I may, I would like to offer a brief summary of that part of the current discussion dealing with aspects of potentiality, with many thanks. The for me central issues were implied in the following, all on June 17:

1.	Andrei: 

The potential field of the internal quantum state implies the simultaneous existence of contradictory statements (JEB: antagonistic phenomena?)

The realization of Joseph’s approach, not only philosophically, but from the point of view of natural science, require certain structures that can hold potentiality.  

2.	Stan: What happens to your statement if the quantum idea is removed?
3.	Andrei: I don’t see another way of explaining how a system holds a coherent state for a prolonged time, without applying a theory that deals with the transition between the potential and the actual. If the quantum idea is removed, then we remove any possible explanations of the internal determination of biological activity and the problem of self.
4.	Stan:

So then a QM interpretation would be validated as being ‘about’ something real in an aspect of actual nature (here a living cell) by way of constructing compatibility with a microscopic perspective derived from conventional microscopic science?

It is quite a remarkable experience for me to see these ideas juxtaposed, finally discussed although certainly not in final form. I believe we may consider an area of science in which a dynamics of simultaneous actuality-potentiality provides the necessary macroscopic explanations, in which the processes involved are nevertheless quantum-like. I would call this an unconventional interpretation of standard science.

If I take the example of intersubjectivity, we may thus consider here  a non-quantum concept for its grounding solely in the macroscopic interactions described.

 

Best, 

Joseph

 

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