Hi Plamen, Krassimir, Pedro, Howard, hi FIS,
> On 15 Feb 2021, at 19:55, Dr. Plamen L. Simeonov <plamen.l.simeonov en gmail.com> wrote:
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> I fully agree with you, Pedro, and your note about Michael Conrad.
> Unfortunately, this challenging era we live now is certainly a great opportunity, as Howard suggests, but also at least 50% chance to surrender to what will come next to replace us as individuals. But I know that Howard has another receipt suggesting the development of the global interconnected mind (the "Avatar" movie idea) which is a nice goal we can evolve too, but from what I have been observing in the world during this pandemic, I conclude only that this mind is of a weird and perplexed global being. The only hope is that this state of illness will be over within a certain period of time.
>
> Great books and a great theory, Howard! I wish we were smart enough to push it forward into practice.
> Are we?
I tend to agree. Great abstract by Howard Bloom.
Personally, I learned everything from bacteria (and books on bacteria, to be sure), from computer science to quantum computer science, (which I predicted before discovering quantum mechanics, actually)… and I love termites!
I see an eukaryotic cell as being already a sort of mini-colony of bacteria. We are a mix of colony of bacteria, and colony of colonies of bacteria!
Our choice is in between staying Turing universal individuals (and knowing it and the consequences), or merging into a super-organism, and that choice reflects a universal hesitation common to all universal machine/number: a conflict between security and liberty. As long as we teach enough mathematics and logic to remind and appreciate our Turing Universality, things will be fine, I think. We have to be careful with lies and the human fear of the truth, exploited by people without scruples.
I fear more the lies than the virus, like I fear more QAnon than Trump… I see lies as sort of virus, going from brain to brain, capable of infecting entire population…
All the best,
Bruno
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> On Mon, Feb 15, 2021 at 7:44 PM Pedro C. Marijuan <pcmarijuan.iacs en aragon.es <mailto:pcmarijuan.iacs en aragon.es>> wrote:
> Thanks Krassimir, it looks a good idea.
> Those parties sending their abstracts, we should understand, are asking for discussion.
> Then, here there are some comments on Howard's.
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> "What’s more, the cellulose eaters could defecate material that was toast with butter and jam to the cockroaches, the perfect food-- sugars and short-chain fatty acids..."
> Quite right. Waste of one species becomes excellent food for another. I was then reminded Jerry's recent comments on entropy as being somehow analogous with "forms of natural wastes, such as feces, dung, shit, urine, etc." Well, it depends. Entropy itself, in Gibbs' free energy, becomes a frequent positive contribution to the chemical reaction free energy (when there is an entropy increase of products respect reactants). And it often helps in enzyme function too (e.g., by entropy change in vicinal water that empowers the enzyme for overcoming the activation energy barrier). Things in nature usually work in a series of conjugated, networked yin-yang relationships--rather than absolutes.
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> About the substance of the abstract, Who knows? Michel Conrad made a curious relationship --tradeoff principle-- between adaptability, evolvability, and information processing. An increase of the latter diminishes the former. So, we may find less capable people as they rely more and more on external algorithms or processing gadgets... is it already happening with the current generation, socially less and less adapted precisely because of their over-immersion onto "social networks"?
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> "If all goes well, that will be the relationship of AI and humankind—symbiosis. Mutual empowerment." Not necessarily. This biological argument is based on an exception. For most inter-species long term evolutionary encounters conduce to... extinction.
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> Gloom and Doom!
> --Pedro
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> El 14/02/2021 a las 16:57, Krassimir Markov escribió:
>> Dear Howard,
>> Thank you for the abstract.
>> You are right!
>>
>> Dear Pedro,
>> Maybe it is a good idea to discuss some abstracts in FIS list.
>> I think, the moderators of sessions may take a such decision.
>> Friendly greetings
>> Krassimir
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Howard Bloom <mailto:howlbloom en aol.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2021 3:06 AM
>> To: fis en listas.unizar.es <mailto:fis en listas.unizar.es> ; pcmarijuan.iacs en aragon.es <mailto:pcmarijuan.iacs en aragon.es>
>> Subject: [Fis] Abstract--Electronic Symbiosis—Lessons from Bacteria
>>
>> i've submitted the following abstract to wolfgang hofkirchner for his digital humanism section of the conference:
>>
>> Electronic Symbiosis—Lessons from Bacteria
>> Howard Bloom
>> howlbloom en aol.com <mailto:howlbloom en aol.com>
>> Author, The Lucifer Principle: a Scientific Expedition into the Forces of History
>> Chairman, The Howard Bloom Institute
>> Founder and co-chair, The Asian Space Technology Summit
>> Former Visiting Scholar, Graduate Psychology Department, New York University
>> Former Core Faculty Member, The Graduate Institute, Meriden, Connecticut
>>
>> Some say that we should not let humanity’s new electronic frontiers reshape us. But every time technology has reshaped us, it has upgraded us. To see how synergies with electronic systems like artificial intelligence can give humanity and humanism new powers, look at how bacteria have gained new abilities over the last billion years. They could have anticipated being annihilated by the new multicellulars and tried to stop multicellular formation. But the multicellulars did not wipe out their single-celled forebears. Far from it. They worked out deals with the multi-cellulars. And those cooperative arrangements gave both the microbes and the multi-cellular beasts whole new powers, whole new ways to make a living. Look, for example, at the cockroaches that first showed up on the planet 320 million years ago. For 69 million years, the cockroaches were limited to easily digestible food. But there was hard stuff all around them bursting with nourishment. That oh, too solid stuff was the tree. And there was no way that the digestive system of cockroaches could turn bark and wood into tasty treats. Then came over 33 species of bacteria and set up shop in the cockroach’s guts. Species like Paenibacillus lactis, Lysinibacillusmacrolides, and Stenotrophomonas maltophilia.[i] These microbial wonders could eat cellulose, the hard stuff that had previously made wood indigestible. What’s more, the cellulose eaters could defecate material that was toast with butter and jam to the cockroaches, the perfect food-- sugars and short-chain fatty acids. In exchange, the microbes used cockroaches as their transport and chewing machines. The cockroaches empowered by their bacterial colonists to eat trees took off on an evolutionary path of their own. Today we call them termites. And there are 2,000 species of them. Which means that once the lowly cockroach allowed cellulose-eating bacteria and flagellates to turn its innards into a microbial dining hall, the newly empowered cockroaches found 2,000 new ways to make a living. So, no, multicellular beings did not wipe out their single-celled progenitors. They gave them a rich new home. And they gavet he unicellulars breathtaking new abilities. If all goes well, that will be the relationship of AI and humankind—symbiosis. Mutual empowerment.
>>
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>> From: Karl Javorszky <karl.javorszky en gmail.com> <mailto:karl.javorszky en gmail.com>
>> To: 钟义信 <zyx en bupt.edu.cn> <mailto:zyx en bupt.edu.cn>
>> Cc: fis <fis en listas.unizar.es> <mailto:fis en listas.unizar.es>; Pedro <pcmarijuan.iacs en aragon.es> <mailto:pcmarijuan.iacs en aragon.es>
>> Sent: Fri, Feb 12, 2021 11:15 pm
>> Subject: Re: [Fis] 回复： New Year in China
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>> Please resend the 2 papers, as my office software says it doesn't recognize the file format used.
>> Thanks
>> Karl
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>> 钟义信 <zyx en bupt.edu.cn <mailto:zyx en bupt.edu.cn>> schrieb am Sa., 13. Feb. 2021, 03:29:
>> Dear Pedro,
>>
>> Please accept my warm greetings to you for the outstanding contributions you made to IS4SI during the past years and also for the Chinese new year..
>>
>> Here I would send you two documents of the Calls, see attachment, as some progresses made by China Chapter for the preparations for IS4SI World Summit-2021. I would be very grateful if you could help us by distributing the Calls to FISers.
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>> My best regards,
>>
>> Yixin
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>> 发件人: "Pedro"<pcmarijuan.iacs en aragon.es <mailto:pcmarijuan.iacs en aragon.es>>;
>> 发送时间: 2021年2月13日(星期六) 凌晨5:43
>> 收件人: "fis"<fis en listas.unizar.es <mailto:fis en listas.unizar.es>>;
>> 主题: [Fis] New Year in China
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>> Dear FIS Colleagues,
>>
>> With the occasion of the Chinese New Year, let me express our collective
>> greetings and best wishes to the FISers there. We badly need good news,
>> and at least the celebrations of a New Year bring us some sense of hope
>> and forbearance in front of the present difficulties. Probably, when all
>> of this recedes, we will be able to make fine discussions about social
>> resilience...
>>
>> All the best
>>
>> --Pedro
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