[Fis] Abstract--Electronic Symbiosis—Lessons from Bacteria

Mon Feb 15 19:55:35 CET 2021

I fully agree with you, Pedro, and your note about Michael Conrad.
Unfortunately, this challenging era we live now is certainly a great
opportunity, as Howard suggests, but also at least 50% chance to surrender
to what will come next to replace us as individuals. But I know that Howard
has another receipt suggesting the development of the global interconnected
mind (the "Avatar" movie idea) which is a nice goal we can evolve too, but
from what I have been observing in the world during this pandemic, I
conclude only that this mind is of a weird and perplexed global being. The
only hope is that this state of illness will be over within a certain
period of time.

Great books and a great theory, Howard! I wish we were smart enough to push
it forward into practice.
Are we?

Best,

Plamen

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On Mon, Feb 15, 2021 at 7:44 PM Pedro C. Marijuan <pcmarijuan.iacs at aragon.es>
wrote:

> Thanks Krassimir, it looks a good idea.
> Those parties sending their abstracts, we should understand, are asking
> for discussion.
> Then, here there are some comments on Howard's.
>
> "What’s more, the cellulose eaters could defecate material that was toast
> with butter and jam to the cockroaches, the perfect food-- sugars and
> short-chain fatty acids..."
> Quite right. Waste of one species becomes excellent food for another. I
> was then reminded Jerry's recent comments on entropy as being somehow
> analogous with  "forms of natural wastes, such as feces, dung, shit,
> urine, etc." Well, it depends. Entropy itself, in Gibbs' free energy,
> becomes a frequent positive contribution to the chemical reaction free
> energy (when there is an entropy increase of products respect reactants).
> And it often helps in enzyme function too (e.g., by entropy change in
> vicinal water that empowers the enzyme for overcoming the activation energy
> barrier). Things in nature usually work in a series of conjugated,
> networked yin-yang relationships--rather than absolutes.
>
> About the substance of the abstract, Who knows? Michel Conrad made a
> curious relationship --tradeoff principle-- between adaptability,
> evolvability, and information processing. An increase of the latter
> diminishes the former. So, we may find less capable people as they rely
> more and more on external algorithms or processing gadgets... is it already
> happening with the current generation, socially less and less adapted
> precisely because of their over-immersion onto "social networks"?
>
> "If all goes well, that will be the relationship of AI and
> humankind—symbiosis. Mutual empowerment." Not necessarily. This biological
> argument is based on an exception. For *most *inter-species long term
> evolutionary encounters conduce to... extinction.
>
> Gloom and Doom!
> --Pedro
>
> El 14/02/2021 a las 16:57, Krassimir Markov escribió:
>
> Dear Howard,
> Thank you for the abstract.
> You are right!
>
> Dear Pedro,
> Maybe it is a good idea to discuss some abstracts in FIS list.
> I think, the moderators of sessions may take a such decision.
> Friendly greetings
> Krassimir
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Howard Bloom <howlbloom at aol.com>
> *Sent:* Sunday, February 14, 2021 3:06 AM
> *To:* fis at listas.unizar.es ; pcmarijuan.iacs at aragon.es
> *Subject:* [Fis] Abstract--Electronic Symbiosis—Lessons from Bacteria
>
> i've submitted the following abstract to wolfgang hofkirchner for his
> digital humanism section of the conference:
>
>
> Electronic Symbiosis—Lessons from Bacteria
> Howard Bloom
> howlbloom at aol.com
> Author, The Lucifer Principle: a Scientific Expedition into the Forces of
> History
> Chairman, The Howard Bloom Institute
> Founder and co-chair, The Asian Space Technology Summit
> Former Visiting Scholar, Graduate Psychology Department, New York
> University
> Former Core Faculty Member, The Graduate Institute, Meriden, Connecticut
>
> Some say that we should not let humanity’s new electronic frontiers
> reshape us. But every time technology has reshaped us, it has upgraded us.
> To see how synergies with electronic systems like artificial intelligence
> can give humanity and humanism new powers, look at how bacteria have gained
> new abilities over the last billion years. They could have anticipated
> being annihilated by the new multicellulars and tried to stop multicellular
> formation. But the multicellulars did not wipe out their single-celled
> forebears. Far from it. They worked out deals with the multi-cellulars. And
> those cooperative arrangements gave both the microbes and the
> multi-cellular beasts whole new powers, whole new ways to make a living.
> Look, for example, at the cockroaches that first showed up on the planet
> 320 million years ago. For 69 million years, the cockroaches were limited
> to easily digestible food. But there was hard stuff all around them
> bursting with nourishment. That oh, too solid stuff was the tree. And there
> was no way that the digestive system of cockroaches could turn bark and
> wood into tasty treats. Then came over 33 species of bacteria and set up
> shop in the cockroach’s guts. Species like Paenibacillus lactis,
> Lysinibacillusmacrolides, and Stenotrophomonas maltophilia.[i]  These
> microbial wonders could eat cellulose, the hard stuff that had previously
> made wood indigestible. What’s more, the cellulose eaters could defecate
> material that was toast with butter and jam to the cockroaches, the perfect
> food-- sugars and short-chain fatty acids. In exchange, the microbes used
> cockroaches as their transport and chewing machines. The cockroaches
> empowered by their bacterial colonists to eat trees took off on an
> evolutionary path of their own. Today we call them termites. And there are
> 2,000 species of them. Which means that once the lowly cockroach allowed
> cellulose-eating bacteria and flagellates to turn its innards into a
> microbial dining hall, the newly empowered cockroaches found 2,000 new ways
> to make a living. So, no, multicellular beings did not wipe out their
> single-celled progenitors. They gave them a rich new home. And they gavet
> he unicellulars breathtaking new abilities. If all goes well, that will be
> the relationship of AI and humankind—symbiosis. Mutual empowerment.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Karl Javorszky <karl.javorszky at gmail.com> <karl.javorszky at gmail.com>
> To: 钟义信 <zyx at bupt.edu.cn> <zyx at bupt.edu.cn>
> Cc: fis <fis at listas.unizar.es> <fis at listas.unizar.es>; Pedro
> <pcmarijuan.iacs at aragon.es> <pcmarijuan.iacs at aragon.es>
> Sent: Fri, Feb 12, 2021 11:15 pm
> Subject: Re: [Fis] 回复： New Year in China
>
> Please resend the 2 papers, as my office software says it doesn't
> recognize the file format used.
> Thanks
> Karl
>
>
> 钟义信 <zyx at bupt.edu.cn> schrieb am Sa., 13. Feb. 2021, 03:29:
>
> Dear Pedro,
>
> Please accept my warm greetings to you for the outstanding contributions
> you made to IS4SI during the past years and also for the Chinese new year..
>
> Here I would send you two documents of the Calls, see attachment, as some
> progresses made by China Chapter for the preparations for IS4SI World
> Summit-2021. I would be very grateful if you could help us by distributing
> the Calls to FISers.
>
> My best regards,
>
> Yixin
>
>
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> *发件人:* "Pedro"<pcmarijuan.iacs at aragon.es>;
> *发送时间:* 2021年2月13日(星期六) 凌晨5:43
> *收件人:* "fis"<fis at listas.unizar.es>;
> *主题:* [Fis] New Year in China
>
> Dear FIS Colleagues,
>
> With the occasion of the Chinese New Year, let me express our collective
> greetings and best wishes to the FISers there. We badly need good news,
> and at least the celebrations of a New Year bring us some sense of hope
> and forbearance in front of the present difficulties. Probably, when all
> of this recedes, we will be able to make fine discussions about social
> resilience...
>
> All the best
>
> --Pedro
>
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