[Fis] Fwd: Jerry on Communications theory? Re: Session closing
Pedro C. Marijuan
pcmarijuan.iacs at aragon.es
Thu Feb 4 13:13:36 CET 2021
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Asunto: Communications theory? Re: [Fis] Session closing
Fecha: Wed, 3 Feb 2021 17:22:46 -0600
De: Jerry LR Chandler <jerry_lr_chandler at icloud.com>
Para: fis at listas.unizar.es <fis at listas.unizar.es>
CC: Howard Bloom <howlbloom at aol.com>, Pedro Marijuan
<pcmarijuan.iacs at aragon.es>, Arieh Ben-Naim <ariehbennaim at gmail.com>
List, Arieh, Howard:
IMO, This discussion of entropy was accompanied by both gaps and gluts,
neither uncommon in such interdisciplinary occasions.
> On Feb 2, 2021, at 9:19 AM, Arieh Ben-Naim <ariehbennaim at gmail.com
> <mailto:ariehbennaim at gmail.com>> wrote:
> The blunder is neither the concept of entropy nor the “ theory of
> entropy” but the way people misused and misinterpreted entropy.
This assertion should be underscored and placed in bold *CAPS*.
The communications gaps illustrated in this discussion is the gap
between dichotomy and dualism; that is, the logic of politics (see
Plumwood).
The concept of entropy, as part of the empirical sciences, has played a
critical role in the taming of the natural forces and harnessing the
flow of work from machines, freeing human energies for other purposes
while concomitantly amplifying the natural forces efficiently. How was
this achieved? By understanding FIRST the mathematics of ideal gas laws
with respect to volume, pressure and temperature and then recognizing
that triadic relationships among volume, pressure and temperature could
be used to create motion within machines and that this motion could be
channeled to useful work. The concept of entropy was introduced to
quantify the inefficiency of the conversion of “energy” into work, that
the ideality of gas laws was NOT perfect, but it was very practical.
Work is harvested to create useful benefits designed for human
purposes. Thus, metaphorically, the concept of entropy as NOT useful
work, is semantically analogous to other forms of natural wastes, such
as feces, dung, shit, urine, etc.
Thus, the two scientific terms, roughly speaking, work (syntropy) and
entropy, are dual terms with respect to useful and useless.
The mathematics of thermodynamics, as Pedro as pointed toward and that
is taught in every undergraduate physics and engineering curriculum,
necessarily requires a closed system and other terms that relate the
forms of energy. The quantitative theory of TD requires these other
conceptual terms in order to make empirical calculations. The glut that
I perceive in this discussion is one of the dichotomy of semantic
ignorance. Howard, Stan and others intentionally ignore the bigger
mathematical necessities and choose to wander into unrelated territories
where other symbolic meanings of these mathematical symbols occur.
The gap in this discussion was and is the ignorance of the role of TD
equations in natural material processes that are not necessarily related
to the ideal gas laws. These equations relate energy changes at
constant temperature and pressure. Such equations are based on the law
of mass action and relate changes of form to heat production. The
equations are electrically- related equations that change patterns
between natural sorts and kinds. The natural differences drive
electromotive forces toward equilibrium. The five preceding sentences
are expressed in physical terminology and refer to chemical changes of
reactions and of course, biological catalysis. This gap in understanding
of the meaning of a chemical reaction and the change of identity of
material forms results in a serious omission. The omission is the
critical role of the mathematics of energy transformations in the
maintenance of life, the syntropism of metabolism. And, of course, the
emergence and evolution of life.
Amazingly, more than five decades have past since I read C. P. Snow’s,
The Two Cultures. While some progress has been made, the gaps and gluts
of misrepresentations, misunderstandings and misinformations persist.
The logic of the political-scientific forms of “Long live Trumpisms”
appears to be in play.
Cheers
Jerry
>
> Dear Howard,
> Although you said that you agree with me, I feel I do not agree,
> neither with your email, nor with what you wrote on entropy in God
> Problem.
> Entropy, is a well defined, well interpreted and very useful quantity
> in thermodynamics.
> The blunder is neither the concept of entropy nor the “ theory of
> entropy” but the way people misused and misinterpreted entropy.
> In your book you mention “Entropy’s error” and that the “notion of
> entropy is wrong”
> I certainly do not agree with you on that.
> I am now working on a book which tentatively is called “ The Science
> of God” where I criticize those who use scientific ideas ( including
> entropy and the second law) in connection with God.
> All the best
> Arieh
>
> On Monday, February 1, 2021, Howard Bloom <howlbloom at aol.com
> <mailto:howlbloom at aol.com>> wrote:
>
> Arieh, hi,
>
> i agree completely with your statement that entropy may be the
> biggest blunder in the history of science. it may be the piltdown
> man of modern scientific theory.
>
> for more on why the theory of entropy is radically wrong, see my
> book The God Problem: How a Godless Cosmos Creates.
>
> with warmth and oomph--howard
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Arieh Ben-Naim <ariehbennaim at gmail.com
> <mailto:ariehbennaim at gmail.com>>
> To: Pedro C. Marijuan <pcmarijuan.iacs at aragon.es
> <mailto:pcmarijuan.iacs at aragon.es>>
> Cc: fis <fis at listas.unizar.es <mailto:fis at listas.unizar.es>>
> Sent: Sun, Jan 31, 2021 3:00 am
> Subject: Re: [Fis] Session closing
>
> Dear All,
> and special thanks to Pedro.
>
> I do not have any further comments, beyond what I already wrote on
> entropy and life.
>
> Perhaps I can add one comment, which is irrelevant to misuses of
> entropy for life.
> It concerns the misuses of entropy to the entire universe.
> I believe that entropy is not definable to the entire universe,
> not in the present, not in the future and not in the past universe.
> Yet, there are whole books discussing the meaningless “low entropy
> of the universe, near the Big Bang”
> I have discussed this topic in great details in my recent book:
> ENTROPY: The Greatest Blunder in the History of Science.
>
> All the best,
> keep yourselves happy and healthy,
> Arieh
>
> On Sat, Jan 30, 2021 at 15:04 Pedro C. Marijuan
> <pcmarijuan.iacs at aragon.es <mailto:pcmarijuan.iacs at aragon.es>> wrote:
>
> Dear All,
>
> We are in the last days of January.
> It means, unless there is some closing closing comments by our
> Lecturer,
> the end of the current New Year Lecture.
> This has been a nice occasion to share comments on all the
> abuses and
> misconceptions around Entropy of Life.
> Thanks to Arieh and all the participants.
> Take a lot of care in these difficult times!!
>
> Best --Pedro
>
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