[Fis] Note to Jaime

[Francesco Rizzo]

Cari tutti,
attenti a pensare che l'economia non abbia principi fondamentali o
primitivi. La Logica in realtà di Lupasco-Brenner è sviluppata
nella Nuova scienza economica, di cui sono tra i pochi propositori. In ogni
caso, non bisogna commettere l'errore di confondere
l'attività (cosiddetta, talvolta impropriamente) economica, con la teoria
economica.
Buon dialogo, usando poche parole, perchè altrimenti è impossibile e si
corre un maggiore rischio di dire cose discutibili.
Un saluto augurale.
Francesco.

Il giorno gio 9 lug 2020 alle ore 15:57 Jaime Cardenas-Garcia <
jfcardenasgarcia en gmail.com> ha scritto:

> Dear Marcus,
>
>
> As to your third point, I assume you are talking about César A. Hidalgo.
> If you recall my post, it was in response to a post by Pedro. So that is
> the context. As to how thermodynamics impacts César’s work, that is
> something he is in a better position to answer than I. What I attempted to
> show was his expertise in an all-encompassing view of economic,
> technological innovation and other interconnections in any
> society. Sometimes what is left unsaid also carries information.
>
>
> My own interest in thermodynamics, apart from that of a mechanical
> engineer, is negligible in the science of information. There is a story
> that might be apocryphal about the time Claude Shannon was working on his
> theory of communication where he did not know how to categorize his
> logarithmic equation. It appears Von Neumann was nearby and suggested that
> he call it entropy, since it sounded exotic and no one really knew what
> entropy was all about. The rest is history. I have never really engaged
> with entropy since I have not seen that it has a bearing on my approach to
> information. Therefore, I have not given much thought to its role in the
> science of information. Maybe at some point in time, if I decide that it
> adds much to my musings, I will engage with its significance. I should note
> that Bateson kind of hit a stone wall when he started using negative
> entropy as a way to explain information.
>
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Jaime
>
> On Thu, Jul 9, 2020 at 8:32 AM Marcus Abundis <55mrcs en gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I am unsure how best to respond to your post.
>> I easily understand a wish to have one's name spelled correctly, as I
>> wish the same for myself (Karl J. can testify), but a simple corrective
>> note is all that was needed.
>>
>> As to the substance of your response, you show yourself to prefer an ad
>> hominem line of logic, which I understand is the bane of
>> scientific discourse. You do this in 1) imagining a personal insult where
>> none was intended (innocently interposed I and M), 2) by inciting an
>> insulting context [mental laziness, really?!], and 3) citing a long list of
>> presumed qualifications for the author in question. You do this rather than
>> exploring (or supporting) YOURSELF how thermodynamic entropy might surpass
>> four fundamental forces in physics (always interested in new ideas). We
>> plainly have different ideas of what mental laziness looks like . . .
>>
>> Lastyl, I have already touched on this issue with T. Deacon (privately)
>> and he has since moved on to a more `open systems' world view, rather than
>> the `closed' view Botlzmann's thermodynamic laws stipulate. That said, I
>> also think `the story is unfinished', so I still keep a watchful eye on
>> this matter.
>>
>> Marcus
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