[Fis] FIS discussions

Mon Oct 7 15:23:18 CEST 2019

Caro Pedro e Cari Tutti,
è comprensibile che un parto sia caratterizzato dal travaglio, ma non deve
tardare a venire, proprio mentre i matematici
continuano a parlare con Dio e la fisica resta (non si arresta) quale
regina della scienza. Pur essendo consapevole
 dell'informazione dell'economia o della economia dell'informazione, sento
il timore di non aver, neanch'io, titolo per
 affrontare-dipanare la problematica e la problem(e)tica sollevate da
questo inizio giovanile e infuocato della discussione Fis.
Quindi invito, coloro che sono più esperti di me, a porre la questione del
"paradosso dell'informazione" nell'ambito
della letteratura sui "buchi neri", onde trarne qualche opportuno
insegnamento. Infine, parlare con Dio significa,
come a Papa Francesco ed a me, forse prima, è capitato di fare, evidenziare
l'economia del Vangelo o il Vangelo
 dell'economia. Beninteso, non v'ha nessun riferimento in questo mio
scrivere pesante e leggero o leggero e pesante
 alcuna strumentale o finalistica intenzione di introdurre nel
nostro-Vostro dibattito l'economia della fede o la fede
dell'economia, volgarmente intesa o scambiata come la coscienza-obbedienza
religiosa o religiosa-obbedienza della coscienza.
Grazie e un abbraccio.
Francesco.

Il giorno lun 7 ott 2019 alle ore 13:58 Pedro C. Marijuan <
pcmarijuan.iacs en aragon.es> ha scritto:

> Dear Emanuel and Colleagues,
>
> You do not need to apologize, and you do not need to suppose that
> memory-synaptic themes are undiscussable in this list either. Conversely,
> it looks an intriguing matter that perhaps you can prepare yourself a
> little bit longer and we can have a discussion session on it (you are
> kindly invited to chair it, or to suggest a chair). I have often insisted
> in the necessity to maintain a high standard of scholarly discussion,
> particularly in this new time of tight cooperation with IS4SI. We must
> count to 10, to 100, or better wait to the next day in order to produce
> seasoned responses to themes or opinions we strongly disagree. But those
> "fast and furious" exchanges may also leave interesting points. In this
> case I gather three at least: the qualitative limits of reason, the
> quantitative limits of "acting" reason, and the informational approach to
> the religious phenomenon. In due time, we can have ad hoc discussion
> sessions, chaired ones, on that. Personally I find more productive the
> chaired format, although having periods like the present one of spontaneous
> free-wheeling is also OK.
>
> And now to your substantive request. Looking at the board structure of
> IS4SI, I think that candidates to be IS4SI (& FIS) Ambassadors --or
> delegates or representatives-- could write to Tadashi Takenochi (in charge
> of regional Chapters) or Xueshan Yan (Institutional Membership) and of
> course to the current President (Marcin Schroeder) in order to receive the
> OK and start organization work. Or for more simplicity, I write here the
> address of the IS4SI Secretariat (Annette Grathoff
> <annette.grathoff en is4si.org> <annette.grathoff en is4si.org>) for those
> willing more specific information on IS4SI potentialities (
> http://is4si.org/);  I can also help. Given the parties currently in the
> list, I venture we could have at least half dozen new Sections or Chapters.
> Why not to have them before the end of this year?
>
> Best wishes
> --Pedro
>
> El 07/10/2019 a las 8:27, Emanuel Diamant escribió:
>
> Dear FIS Colleagues,
>
>
>
> As usually, I apologize for interfering with the ongoing discussion on the
> future chapters arrangement. The subject is important and great, but (as
> usual) the discussion quickly degrades to self-promoting advertisements and
> old ideas revitalization. This is a dead-ended passageway.
>
>
>
> In the current (Oct 04, 2019) *Science* issue, Vol. 366, pp. 83-89, a
> paper of the UT Southwestern team is published, where the scientists
> describe how they have implanted memories into the birds brains to guide
> the learning of their songs. The guys do not ask “what is memory?” They
> even do not need an answer – they are busy with medical implementations of
> their findings. It is self-understood that answering such a question has to
> be our duty. But again, we are not ready to keep up with this challenge.
>
>
>
> A similar case happened a year ago – In the ENEURO journal, published on
> May 14, 2018, an UCLA research group reported a successful memory transfer
> from one marine snail to another. I have immediately informed my FIS
> colleagues about this achievement, but the news left them indifferent.
>
>
>
> (As usual, not to make my FIS colleagues angry, I had not mentioned that
> the UCLA experiment reliably confirms my assumption that Information (and
> all its derivatives – thoughts, feelings, memories) are material entities,
> that is, are strings of nucleotides comprising the text of an information
> message. As such, they can be processed, manipulated, and even relocated.
> Memories are not more arrangements of adjustable synapses, as the brain
> researchers traditionally view them. Memories are real linguistic
> descriptions of observed structures that we retain and recycle in our
> brains and our neuronal arrangements. As said, I did not mention the
> above details, and my note passed unnoticed).
>
>
>
> Never mind, I am usual that from the heights of “Data and Information”
> masterpiece (Krassimir and the other FIS bessere Menschen) problems of
> memory (information) transposition and rearrangement are irrelevant and
> inappropriate. Never mind, I am usual that such subjects are undiscussable
> in FIS community.
>
>
>
> So, what happens with the New Chapters proposal? Really, a good and a
> timely idea.
>
>
>
> Best regards,
>
> Emanuel.
>
>
>
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