[Fis] FIS discussions
Pedro C. Marijuan
pcmarijuan.iacs at aragon.es
Mon Oct 7 13:58:11 CEST 2019
Dear Emanuel and Colleagues,
You do not need to apologize, and you do not need to suppose that
memory-synaptic themes are undiscussable in this list either.
Conversely, it looks an intriguing matter that perhaps you can prepare
yourself a little bit longer and we can have a discussion session on it
(you are kindly invited to chair it, or to suggest a chair). I have
often insisted in the necessity to maintain a high standard of scholarly
discussion, particularly in this new time of tight cooperation with
IS4SI. We must count to 10, to 100, or better wait to the next day in
order to produce seasoned responses to themes or opinions we strongly
disagree. But those "fast and furious" exchanges may also leave
interesting points. In this case I gather three at least: the
qualitative limits of reason, the quantitative limits of "acting"
reason, and the informational approach to the religious phenomenon. In
due time, we can have ad hoc discussion sessions, chaired ones, on that.
Personally I find more productive the chaired format, although having
periods like the present one of spontaneous free-wheeling is also OK.
And now to your substantive request. Looking at the board structure of
IS4SI, I think that candidates to be IS4SI (& FIS) Ambassadors --or
delegates or representatives-- could write to Tadashi Takenochi (in
charge of regional Chapters) or Xueshan Yan (Institutional Membership)
and of course to the current President (Marcin Schroeder) in order to
receive the OK and start organization work. Or for more simplicity, I
write here the address of the IS4SI Secretariat (Annette Grathoff
<annette.grathoff at is4si.org>) for those willing more specific
information on IS4SI potentialities (http://is4si.org/); I can also
help. Given the parties currently in the list, I venture we could have
at least half dozen new Sections or Chapters. Why not to have them
before the end of this year?
El 07/10/2019 a las 8:27, Emanuel Diamant escribió:
> Dear FIS Colleagues,
> As usually, I apologize for interfering with the ongoing discussion on
> the future chapters arrangement. The subject is important and great,
> but (as usual) the discussion quickly degrades to self-promoting
> advertisements and old ideas revitalization. This is a dead-ended
> In the current (Oct 04, 2019) /Science/ issue, Vol. 366, pp. 83-89, a
> paper of the UT Southwestern team is published, where the scientists
> describe how they have implanted memories into the birds brains to
> guide the learning of their songs. The guys do not ask “what is
> memory?” They even do not need an answer – they are busy with medical
> implementations of their findings. It is self-understood that
> answering such a question has to be our duty. But again, we are not
> ready to keep up with this challenge.
> A similar case happened a year ago – In the ENEURO journal, published
> on May 14, 2018, an UCLA research group reported a successful memory
> transfer from one marine snail to another. I have immediately informed
> my FIS colleagues about this achievement, but the news left them
> (As usual, not to make my FIS colleagues angry, I had not mentioned
> that the UCLA experiment reliably confirms my assumption that
> Information (and all its derivatives – thoughts, feelings, memories)
> are material entities, that is, are strings of nucleotides comprising
> the text of an information message. As such, they can be processed,
> manipulated, and even relocated. Memories are not more arrangements of
> adjustable synapses, as the brain researchers traditionally view them.
> Memories are real linguistic descriptions of observed structures that
> we retain and recycle in our brains and our neuronal arrangements. As
> said, I did not mention the above details, and my note passed unnoticed).
> Never mind, I am usual that from the heights of “Data and Information”
> masterpiece (Krassimir and the other FIS bessere Menschen) problems of
> memory (information) transposition and rearrangement are irrelevant
> and inappropriate. Never mind, I am usual that such subjects are
> undiscussable in FIS community.
> So, what happens with the New Chapters proposal? Really, a good and a
> timely idea.
> Best regards,
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Pedro C. Marijuán
Grupo de Bioinformación / Bioinformation Group
pcmarijuan.iacs at aragon.es
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