[Fis] Focusing on Narratives. Infordomics

[Dr. Plamen L. Simeonov]

Dear Francesco and All,

let me tell you that I do really love your posts in Italian. By coincidence
they correspond to the topic we are discussing now - narratives - and I
must tell you that I find them lovely, clear and sound like mathematical
theorems, despite my superficial (tourist) knowledge of the language that
will not let me hungry and wthout bed in your native country. They are so
beautiful, like readig poetry, and often remind me of my first and only
book in Italian by Carlo Collodi "The Adventures of Pinocchio". Thank you
for educating us on these issues in your language that proves that even if
I do not know every single word, there is an underlying foundation in the
composition of sentences beyond the grammar and the often familiar relation
between the concepts that lets me understand the overall meaning. This
subtle basis for communication possibly emerging out of the local frame of
exchange and trade in the ancient era, but certainly also with the
domination of Latin during the times of the Roman Empire and later wth
Christianity, is a good example of how languages develop in parallel like
living things exchanging parts of their "DNA". As a schoolboy I was amazed
of my discoveries that many of the basic words lke "forno", "manga",
"porta", "casa", etc., plenty of grammar rules and phrases, even proverbs,
in my native language, Bulgarian, have the same roots and sound similarly
as those in yours. It was clear, that many more words were adopted from the
neighbour countries, but this astonishing remote relation have been
fascinating to me and let me easily catch concepts without knowing in
detail other Romance languages like French and Spanish. Later in life I got
used to German and English which became my colloquial languages and I began
discovering subtle relations between them and the other European languages.
It is clear to us all how languages spread and became popular in the world
during the era of the great geographic discoveries, and later with the
development of science and technology, philosophy, fine art and trade, and
certainly with movies and pop music, IT and most recently with facebook and
instagram. I am not a specialist, but I am sure there is a similar
foundational relation between the languages in Asia that must have been
influencing each other in Asia, while being dominated, also for historical
and religious reasons, by the two great cultures of China and India,
although I know they are truly composed of many, oftten not related at all,
dialects. I am curious to learn more about the subtle dependencies between
the languages and cultures in Asia, as well as more about the agent role of
the Arabic culture in the exchange between Asia and Europe. Francesco would
probably say that Marco Polo was the first who did it ;-)  Anyway, what I
am asking is: were the ancient hunting stories told around the fire in the
cave, the Greek legends and myths, the 1001 nights fairy tales, or those of
the Grimm brothers, Charles Perraut, Hans Christian Andersen, Lewis
Carroll, J.R.R. Tolkien, R. Kipling and others, (incl. Pinocchio of
course!) that shaped the first blueprints in the minds of our ancestors and
contemporaries? I think that long before there were conquests and trade,
stories/narratives were crossing mountains and riverrs, sometimes told to
the host family by strangers and tramps in a foreign language, but still
conveyed-understood by the listener as communicated emotions with an
unspoken language of feelings and sounds. How many of these stories,
legends and myths were re-discovered by adventurers and scientists visiting
remote places in Polynesia, Africa and South America? Did they emerge
locally or were they spread by sailors and missioners? An old man in Bali
living in a mountain cottage without electricity known as a sage from one
of the last tribes who talks with the forest ghosts told me in his own
native language which was not Balinesian that he knows the story of
Alexander of Macedonia some years ago when I was on a journey there. Where
did he know this story from? It certainly does not belong to the local
folklore and he did not get it recently from the Discovery channel. And how
did he found the proper way to tell me this? But stories can travel between
the minds. This re-minds me of the intuitive ability of Australian
aborigenes to know without seeing somethng. There may have been a Dream
Time long time ago that have crated the subtle web of mind exchange between
all human bengs, and who knows, perhaps all living beings. Modern science
is solely dis-covering what we have been knowing all the time; it is
recorded in our DNA.

I'll leave you with this tale adding to you all my best wishes for the
season of the family. FIS is a kind of family, isn't it?
I love your stories.

All the best,

Plamen

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On Wed, Dec 5, 2018 at 6:31 AM Francesco Rizzo <13francesco.rizzo at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Cari Pedro, Joseph e Tutti,
> mi permetto, se possibile, di inviarvi qualche pagina del capitolo 23. LA
> NATURA LINGUISTICA E COMUNICATIVA DELL'ATTIVITA' ECONOMICA (1995) di
> "Valore e valutazioni. La scienza dell'economia o l'economia della scienza"
> (FrancoAngeli, Milano, 1999, pp. 559-561).che ritengo utile e funzionale al
> dibattito.
>
> 23.1 Accostarsi all'esperienza economica con una mentalità linguistica o
> dialogativa
>
>     L'economia contemporanea è sempre più basata sui processi di
> trasinformazione  (...). La "produzione" e il "consumo" appaiono in misura
> crescente delle oper-*azioni* aperte all'informazione e alla
> comunicazione, piuttosto che delle attività che si limitano a trasformare,
> accumulare e usare risorse materiali. Nella società post-moderna prendono
> il sopravvento gli aspetti immateriali o epifenomenici dei processi
> economici modificandone la tecnologia in senso informatico. La crescente
> dematerializzazione dell'economia rivela la natura (o cultura) segnica o
> simbolica dei "fatti" economici in un contesto esistenziale e cognitivo
> spiccatamente linguistico e monetario.
>
>   Allora è necessario accostarsi all'esperienza economica con una nuova
> mentalità in quanto gli ordinamenti o gli organismi sociali si originano e
> manifestano la loro plasticità o intelligenza comportamentale negli
> accoppiamenti strutturali e nelle interazioni di dominio linguistico. La
> coerenza e l'armonia nelle relazioni e nelle interazioni ricorsive fra i
> componenti di un sistema sociale umano dipendono dai rapporti strutturali
> ontogenetici di tipo co 2municativo associabili a espressioni e termini
> semantici.
>
>     Il linguaggio consente a chi lo usa di favorire la riflessione e
> irrobustire la coscienza personale e sociale. Inoltre serve a descrivere
> l'ambiente comune agli organismi che interagiscono. La descrizione delle
> descrizioni, il desiderio dei desideri, il rapporto dei rapporti, sono le
> caratteristiche fondamentali del linguaggio che è responsabile del
> ben-essere o del mal-essere degli uomini. Per questo motivo gli uomini
> esistono ed operano (anche) economicamente nel linguaggio aperto e capace
> di garantire loro un adattamento costante nel "dominio dei significati".
>
>     Il linguaggio economico è indispensabile per descrivere, immaginare,
> mettere in relazione. Esso influenza, fino a plasmarla, l'ontogenesi di
> ogni persona. Le parole sono indispensabili per le inter-azioni economiche,
> come i beni economici in quanto segni permettono l'accoppiamento
> strutturale interpersonale. Il linguaggio economico non deve de-scrivere o
> rivelare una realtà esterna, ma serve per realizzare quella conoscenza per
> comprendere la coordinazione comportamentale senza la quale non potrebbero
> esistere ordinamenti sociali, economici, giuridici, politici, etc.
>
>
>
> 23. 2 Mercato come luogo di interazione narrativa dei segni economici
>
>
>    Le esperienze economiche post-moderne, al pari delle poetiche più
> recenti, richiedono un particolare impegno autonomo del consumatore o del
> fruitore il quale gradisce sempre di meno le sequenze univoche e necessarie
> della produzione, dell'offerta e della distribuzione dei beni, mentre
> dimostra di preferire beni o servizi aventi una natura probabilistica,
> presupponente una certa ambiguità situazionale, che stimola scelte
> operative o interpretative personali, cangianti, incerte, anche a costo di
> essere o di apparire illusorie.
>
>     Le immagini del mercato costituiscono un luogo privilegiato della
> interazione narrativa dei segni economici. Il sistema economico-simbolico è
> formato da un insieme di "tratti" che ne consentono la lettura e
> l'interpretazione. È necessario sfruttare la differenza, il mutamento e la
> rivoluzione dei sistemi simbolici: invece di considerare la moneta segno
> del valore (dei beni economici) bisogna ritenere i beni economici segni del
> valore (della moneta). La scrittura, la narrazione, il racconto delle
> metafore o parabole economiche creano un salto, una discontinuità, una
> caduta, un *vuoto di parola*, di significati, di conoscenza:
> un'inflazione di valore o un valore inflazionato. Creano cioè una
> differenz-ialità, un gradiente, un dis-livello che produce il con-*tratto*,
> lo s-*cambio*, l'inter-*azione*: il cambio del tratto dell'azione o della
> con-trattazione. Il bi-sogno di tutti è quello di conoscere il linguaggio
> economico estraneo (o degli estranei) non per com-*prenderlo*, ma per
> rilevarne la differenza. Differenza che non può essere mai annullata o
> cancellata dalla superficiale socialità e talvolta volgare comunicazione
> del linguaggio monetario che è intraducibile o induce al tradimento.
> L'irriducibile in-*differenza* del linguaggio monetario rende l'attività
> economica un continuo fare o disfare il reale, sistematico e patrimoniale
> mondo della "pulsione di accumulazione" e della "prodigalità narcisistica".
>
>     La lingua o la ricchezza comunicativa individuale di cui siamo padroni
> è incapace di indovinare o scoprire per intero il "romanzesco integrale"
> mondo dell'economia della comunità sociale che contribuiamo a formare.
> Talvolta (ci) mancano, le parole, le frasi, le concezioni e quindi
> ricorriamo alla diluizione, all'annacquamento, all'«emorragia del soggetto
> in un linguaggio frazionato, parcellizzato, diffratto sino al vuoto»[1]
> <#m_-2560145319737901896_m_-8534848663525701738__ftn1>. Il linguaggio
> economico non deve affannarsi, come fanno molte lingue occidentali, a
> decretare la "vita" e la "realtà" degli eventi o dei soggetti economici, ma
> deve, come fanno alcune lingue orientali, ricondurre o trattenere questi
> eventi o soggetti economici nella loro qualità di "prodotti", di funzioni,
> "recisi" dalla credenza referenziale per antonomasia, quella cioè delle
> cose o degli esseri che vivono. Non possiamo conoscere e con-*testare* la
> nostra società (economica) usando il linguaggio aberrante o l'ideologia
> terrificante della cultura o mentalità scientista che spazza via o cancella
> proprio la creatività o l'inventiva degli uomini. Il nostro parlare
> (economico) è un non vivere, un far morire la nostra *vita*-lità, la
> nostra capacità di stupirci, sorprenderci, incontrarci, amarci gli uni con
> gli altri.
>
>     Per far soprav-v*ivere* l'economia bisogna ri-significarla
> ri-situandola nel luogo creativo del linguaggio simbolico-metaforico per
> assicurarle il bi-*sogno* vitale della comunicazione. E non c'è
> comunicazione che nella parola, "immagine acustica" che rap-*presenta*
> meglio di qualsiasi simbolo il valore delle cose o le cose del valore,
> senza alcuna referenzialità esterna o antecedente ad essa. Il valore
> (economico) trova in se stesso la giustificazione e si tra-*manda* e si
> tras-*mette* nel tempo mediante un ininterrotto processo di
> autoreferenzialità.
>
>
> Grazie. Francesco.
>
> ------------------------------
>
> [1] <#m_-2560145319737901896_m_-8534848663525701738__ftnref1> Barthes R., *L'impero
> dei segni*, Torino, Einaudi, 1984, p. 12.
>
> Il giorno mar 4 dic 2018 alle ore 12:41 Joseph Brenner <
> joe.brenner at bluewin.ch> ha scritto:
>
>> Dear Xueshan,
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you for your proposal of a domain of Infordomics. I see it as a way
>> of furthering the useful insights that can be gained thorough
>> classification, guidelines and protocols of discussion. I note that –domics
>> and domain have the same Greek root *‘domos’ – *house or place, hence,
>> the *place* for information.
>>
>>
>>
>> However, I think that your proposed inclusion of Semiotics as Linguistics
>> and as a major stand-alone subject is problematic. This is in part due to
>> the absence, in your list, of an explicit reference to Meaning.
>>
>>
>>
>> Sören has proposed as a subject, in another context, “Information,
>> Meaning and Semiotics”. For discussion here, I would have preferred
>> Information, Meaning, Semiosis and Semiotics. I see Semiosis both as
>> meaning and as a dynamic process of reasoning and of generating meaning. On
>> the other hand, Semiotics is rather a classificatory system applied to
>> formal, structural aspects of language. Of course, there is some overlap
>> with meaning, but Semiotics as most commonly used today suffers from its
>> implied reference to and dependence on the categories, logic and
>> classifications of Peirce. It is necessary to remind ourselves that the
>> Peircean approach is only one among others, and that more serious
>> scientific and ontological commitments can be made in some of the latter.
>>
>>
>>
>> The fact that Meaning in a sense in involved in all the fields you define
>> (psychology, communication, social information) does not mean that it is an
>> unscientific concept; it is that it, like information itself, requires some
>> additional dynamic dimensions for its description.
>>
>>
>>
>> Best wishes,
>>
>>
>>
>> Joseph
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> *From:* Fis [mailto:fis-bounces at listas.unizar.es] *On Behalf Of *Xueshan
>> Yan
>> *Sent:* mardi, 4 décembre 2018 11:08
>> *To:* FIS Group
>> *Subject:* Re: [Fis] Focusing on Narratives
>>
>>
>>
>> Dear Colleagues,
>>
>> Thanks Pedro for introducing the important topic of narrative, many views
>> of Loet, Joseph, Karl, of course Pedro, etc. are very profound.
>>
>> After accomplished my first book to investigate various information and
>> informational disciplines, my second book, *Infordomics*, will
>> concentrate on discussing information issues in the Humanities and Social
>> Sciences, narrative will be its main concern. I have collected a dozen of
>> books about these aspects. Infordomics is a new discipline which I named.
>> As far as the current information concerned, technological information,
>> biological information, and social information are the three dominating
>> types we have seen. Technological information has been exclusively studied
>> by technological informatics (computer science, telecommunications
>> science), biological information has been exclusively studied by biology,
>> and only social information is a scattered topic in history, journalism,
>> literature, art, religion, anthropology, sociology, and others, we haven’t
>> a special discipline to deal with it so far. Therefore, I think that
>> achievements on information for us are most likely in this field.
>>
>> As far as the information issues we are concerning, Psychology discusses
>> the processing of information, communication (Communicology) discusses the
>> transmission of information, Semiotics (Linguistics) discusses the form of
>> information, and Infordomics will discuss the remaining issues of
>> information. At the beginning, I may concentrate on its structure problems.
>> Psychology, Communicology, Semiotics (Linguistics), and Infordomics (other
>> new disciplines on information may emerge in the future certainly.)
>> constitute a systematic study about social/human information.
>>
>> However, our FIS (including our IS4SI) is at a hard time now, and we need
>> a firm and promising guideline and protocol.
>>
>> Best wishes,
>>
>> Xueshan
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* fis-bounces at listas.unizar.es <fis-bounces at listas.unizar.es> *On
>> Behalf Of *Pedro C. Marijuan
>> *Sent:* Friday, November 30, 2018 4:10 AM
>> *To:* fis at listas.unizar.es
>> *Subject:* [Fis] Focusing on Narratives
>>
>>
>>
>> Dear FIS Colleagues,
>>
>> Some brief responses to Loet's and Jerry's comments.
>>
>> To Loet, unfortunately real life does not allow such neat scheme of
>> expectations, observations, and modifications/decisions--except in the
>> abstract. Daily life is surrounded by multitude of behavioral cycles and
>> happenstances from the subject himself and from the surrounding parties
>> impinging on the subject. It is difficult to isolate mainstreams there, and
>> it is difficult to know how to orient oneself for the troubled future.
>> Besides, important decisions are often irreversible, they mark the course
>> of life and there is no way to return to the initial conditions. How easily
>> a promising young life can be wasted... And this is the role of traditional
>> great stories/narratives: lecturing on how to realize the "potential" of
>> one's life, orienting on the big unknowns that particularly the young party
>> starting his/her social life has to confront. They orient, amuse, and
>> "entertain"--all in one. In our parlance, they are highly efficient *social
>> information tools* that contain important adaptive knowledge for
>> flourishing in some concrete culture. I do not see much interest in what
>> physicalist perspectives can say on that. Maybe I did not succeed with the
>> terms, trying to connect the social potential with the general biological
>> potentiality, but this was the gist.
>>
>> In any case, there was a statement in my previous message *"I do not
>> consider unscientific the Jungian stance, but not quite scientific either"*
>> that in a second thought consider inappropriate. Rather, Jung's work in
>> this realm should be taken as belonging to the Humanities. Just that. And
>> to be fair he has provided a strong way to analyze stories/narratives which
>> has been adopted by some of the most relevant commentators today (Booker,
>> Bonnet). The further point, after acknowledging that scholarly fact, is
>> whether that perspective can be improved... Probably. I already mentioned
>> about the unconscious: that it could be more accurate considering the
>> brain-rest activation of contemporary neuroscience (Default Mode Network)
>> as taking charge of that involuntary emergence of impressions and deep
>> memories. There are now ambitious theoretical schemes of neural information
>> processing that could provide light on other points of the conscious, the
>> emotional, the sensorimotor, the excitation/inhibition coupling, the
>> optimization of neural entropy, etc. But they have to connect with natural
>> behavior, and also finally with narratives.
>>
>> To Jerry's, after his four pages on perplex number system, I can only say
>> that great, terrific. It could have been an interesting presentation for an
>> ad hoc discussion session. I am tempted to twist a few sentences of his
>> text and to intercalate four pages or so on signaling systems, or on the
>> "sociotype", which is closer to the current session. But that is not the
>> scholarly way of discussion.
>>
>> To finalize, there is a provocative sentence in Bonnet's closing of his
>> book: *"The one who tells the stories rules the world."*
>>
>> Best wishes
>> --Pedro
>>
>>
>> El 25/11/2018 a las 5:10, Loet Leydesdorff escribió:
>>
>> Dear Pedro, Joseph, and colleagues,
>>
>>
>>
>> Let me side with Joseph in this instance.
>>
>>
>>
>> memories? And, similarly, does not "potential" refer to
>> cognitive/anticipatory capabilities that somehow detect higher fitness
>> possibilities along some behavioral paths than others, and then conduce to
>> the long term realization and flourishing of a life cycle? The potential
>> belongs, say, to the "processual" not to the physical. In my view, the
>> general challenge is to re-explain narratives, the fundamental commodity of
>> social communication, in a more advanced conceptualization, beyond the
>> Jungian, the Shannonian, or the corrosive fake-correctedness  of our
>> times... It can be done. The neuroscientific approach would be badly needed
>> to recreate the terminology and the fundamental ideas.
>>
>> Perhaps, I miss the meaning of some of the wordings in this narrative
>> :-), but it seems to me that there is something terribly wrong here. "The
>> potential belongs ... to the "processual." We can consider this as "nom de
>> gueux."
>>
>>
>>
>> One always begins with the specification of expectations. I assume that
>> these are then "processual"? Expectations (possible states) are tested
>> against observations and can then sometimes be rejected.
>>
>>
>>
>> For example: One can hypothesize that there are gender differences on
>> this list. Then, one can cross-table those of us who on average publish 0,
>> 1, or 2 postings with the gender differences (M/F).  This generates a 3
>> times 2  table.
>>
>>
>>
>> Using the margin totals one can compute the expected values of each cell
>> and test the observed values against the expectations. The expectations are
>> "processual"? Indeed, they are possibilities which do not have to be
>> realized. That is an empirical question.
>>
>>
>>
>> Unfortunately, Logic-in-Reality works as a logic with only two values
>> (T/F). This may lead to a poor design when one needs more grey shades.
>>
>>
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Loet.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Loet Leydesdorff
>>
>> Professor emeritus, University of Amsterdam
>> Amsterdam School of Communication Research (ASCoR)
>>
>> loet at leydesdorff.net ; http://www.leydesdorff.net/
>> Associate Faculty, SPRU, <http://www.sussex.ac.uk/spru/>University of
>> Sussex;
>>
>> Guest Professor Zhejiang Univ. <http://www.zju.edu.cn/english/>, Hangzhou;
>> Visiting Professor, ISTIC, <http://www.istic.ac.cn/Eng/brief_en.html>
>> Beijing;
>>
>> Visiting Fellow, Birkbeck <http://www.bbk.ac.uk/>, University of London;
>>
>> http://scholar.google.com/citations?user=ych9gNYAAAAJ&hl=en
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Best regards
>> --Pedro
>>
>>  El 21/11/2018 a las 9:31, Joseph Brenner escribió:
>>
>> Dear Colleagues,
>>
>>
>>
>> Pedro’s approach, solidly anchored in biology, allows for progress in
>> understanding. Two comments on his ‘logic’: 1) I would not call the
>> ‘concoction’ within which we live imaginary. It is rather a set of real,
>> dynamic mental processes, with actual and potential, effectively causal
>> components. 2) ‘Complex life’ instantiates potential (and kinetic) energy
>> not only in a ‘book keeping role’. Complex life is constituted by actual
>> and potential energy evolving in cycles and stages. Some myths (Epimetheus
>> and Prometheus) correctly express this duality and its evolution.
>>
>>
>>
>> Unfortunately, there is another myth that I believe correctly models part
>> of Jerry’s proposals. It is that of Procrustes, an innkeeper who stretched
>> or cut the legs of his guests to make them fit the only available beds,
>> until taken care of by Heracles. You write:   A lot more needs to be
>> said about the intimate nature of relations among scientific narratives
>> before one can bind the logic of the perplex number system to the grammars
>> associated with mathematically structured anticipatory systems.
>>
>>
>>
>> This sentence needs to be parsed, given the concatenation of terms: in my
>> opinion, the purpose of understanding the relations among scientific
>> narratives is to understand real anticipatory systems, whether or not
>> mathematically structured. Perplex numbers are artificial numerological
>> constructions with a corresponding logic that may or may not apply to other
>> artificial constructions, such as abstract anticipatory systems, without
>> dynamics. Narratives about real science could be applied in principle to
>> such questions, but the implication must be avoided that such application
>> would tell us anything about reality.
>>
>>
>>
>> I cannot accept any manipulation of numbers as being more than *a
>> posteriori. *This applies also to Karl’s approach. Also, the concept of
>> an ‘in-*formed*’ number is an oxymoron, although I understand the
>> attempt to ascribe ‘value-by-association’, so to speak. Numbers cannot
>> accept ‘form’, or its meaning; they exist, eternally, outside the world of
>> form and change.
>>
>>
>>
>> I thus stress the importance of Pedro’s statement:  processes do not go smoothly
>> upwards from the quantum level. As one proceeds to higher levels of
>> reality, there are discontinuities and different laws apply. One only notes
>> the presence of some isomorphisms, such as the failure of some macroscopic
>> process equations to commute or distribute. Finally, I, at least, will
>> resist any attempts to let in, through the back door, anti-scientific
>> concepts of quantum processes in mind and cognition.
>>
>>
>>
>> Best wishes,
>>
>>
>>
>> Joseph
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> *From:* Fis [mailto:fis-bounces at listas.unizar.es
>> <fis-bounces at listas.unizar.es>] *On Behalf Of *Pedro C. Marijuan
>> *Sent:* mardi, 20 novembre 2018 21:15
>> *To:* fis
>> *Cc:* Jerry LR Chandler
>> *Subject:* Re: [Fis] Anticipatory Systems--"Potential"
>>
>>
>>
>> Dear Jerry and FIS colleagues,
>>
>> I wonder how big or how clever your Chemostat apparatus should be. There
>> are thousands of metabolic intermediates in an organism, and there are
>> another thousands of diversified signals. And we have in the order of 30
>> billion cells (trillions in the US system). Plus around 100 trillion of
>> bacterial cells in the microbiome. "We" are the emergence all of that
>> molecular diversity. It does not mean that life exactly "controls" all the
>> details of the mega-information of this whole system... How that control is
>> organized, the principles of biological information, so to speak, become
>> another great question, but probably very different from the idea of mass
>> control in a chemostat. In any case, the way you have argued it,
>> seemingly smoothly going upwards from the quantum level, is beyond of what
>> I consider feasible. Scientific overstretching of a reasonable paradigm
>> perhaps.
>>
>> Socially, indeed, we do not try to communicate around by following a
>> colossal strategy of reducing happenstances to their quantum description;
>> neither to the kind of meta-languages you mention. In general, social
>> communication revolves around narratives. They are not free-wheeling
>> constructions (at least referring to the "great stories" of all epochs) but
>> optimized tools to guide individuals in the advancement of their lives, in
>> the achievement of their "potential". Looking at the historical evolution
>> of those great stories, they are teaching us about which were the cardinal
>> aspects of common life to be specifically grasped by the child, by the
>> adolescent, by the maiden, the artisan, the warrior, the priest... And in
>> this social communication endeavors, life cycles do not appear as
>> homogeneous linearly "timed". Human lives are continuously looking ahead,
>> anticipating ("Prometheus" style) but simultaneously looking at the past
>> and pondering on it ("Epimetheus" style). Although "presentists", we live
>> within an imaginary concoction built of mosaic pasts and futures,
>> "multi-timed" so to speak. The way to harmonize past, present, and future
>> (vital information) is one of the leit motifs of those great stories.
>>
>> And about cycles, so many of them can be found. At the scale of the
>> organism:  cellular & tissular cycles, metabolic cycles, behavioral cycles,
>> ultradian cycles, circadian cycles, seasonal cycles, yearly cycles, secular
>> cycles, and many others related to social mores. Some of them can be
>> arranged in a sort of hierarchy or inclusivity, but there is a fundamental
>> diversity. That most of this orchestration of cycles does not require a
>> conscious effort does not mean that we should ignore them concerning the
>> roots of social communication. The cycles and stages (and "passages")
>> within a life cycle have an ominous presence. As i was saying, the
>> "potential" of each young life in ascend requires the reception of wisdom
>> (via social communication narratives) to integrate the own individual path
>> within the social matrix of the time.
>>
>> Thinking twice about the "potential" of life, it might be something
>> important to consider regarding any form or manifestation of life. Perhaps
>> better than the Principle of Conatus from Spinoza I was referring days ago
>> (the effort to self-maintain and flourish). Complex life has "potential" to
>> advance along some multi-time, multi-cycle developmental path in the most
>> complex of all environments: the social matrix. Is there some deep
>> similarity of this potential with the role that "potential" energy plays in
>> our book-keeping of energy conservation?
>>
>> Thanking the comments,
>> Best--Pedro
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