[Fis] Fis Digest, Vol 32, Issue 13

[Jose Javier Blanco Rivero]

Dejar Malcolm,

I think that is useful to distinguish between sense-making (Sinn in german,
sentido in spanish) and meaning (Bedeutung, significado). Meaning is
linguistic, while sense-making mixes linguistic and non linguistic
dimensions. For the social sciences, like intellectual history, this
distinction helps to clear further the difference between semantics (a
field of meaning) and social structure (communicative information
processing structures, like condes and communication media -in Luhmanns
terms).
I am aware that maybe in physics this might not be quite convincing...

Bests,
El nov 12, 2016 4:43 PM, "Malcolm Dean" <malcolmdean at gmail.com> escribió:

> To an animal about to be attacked and eaten, the meaning of an approaching
> predator is quite clear.
>
> Obviously, meaning is produced by, within, and among Observers, and not by
> language.
>
> Meaning may be produced *through* language, not *in* language, as a medium
> of interaction (aka communication).
>
> I wish scientific specialists had more awareness of the effects of their
> specialization.
>
> Malcolm Dean
>
>
>
>> Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2016 20:29:21 +0100
>> From: "Loet Leydesdorff" <loet at leydesdorff.net>
>> To: "'Alex Hankey'" <alexhankey at gmail.com>, "'FIS Webinar'"
>>         <Fis at listas.unizar.es>
>> Subject: Re: [Fis] Is quantum information the basis of spacetime?
>>
>> Dear Alex and colleagues,
>>
>> Thank you for the reference; but my argument was about meaning. Meaning
>> can only be considered as constructed in language. Other uses of the word
>> are metaphorical. For example, the citation to Maturana.
>>
>> Information, in my opinion, can be defined content-free (a la Shannon,
>> etc.) and then be provided with meaning in (scholarly) discourses. I
>> consider physics as one among other scholarly discourses. Specific about
>> physics is perhaps the universalistic character of the knowledge claims.
>> For example: "Frieden's points apply to quantum physics as well as
>> classical physics." So what? This seems to me a debate within physics
>> without much relevance for non-physicists (e.g., economists or linguists).
>>
>
>
>> Loet Leydesdorff
>> Professor, University of Amsterdam
>> Amsterdam School of Communication Research (ASCoR)
>>
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