[Fis] Cultural Legacy Redux (Freewheeling Speculation)

[Michel Godron]

Bien reçu votre message. MERCI. Cordialement. M. Godron
Le 17/07/2016 à 20:21, Loet Leydesdorff a écrit :
> Dear Michel and colleagues,
>
> I agree that adaptation is not specifically human and that "humanity's 
> main adaptive role" is not to be defined as "information".
I agree also !
> The best candidate for a spefically human is probably, in my opinion, 
> "double contingency": Ego expects Alter to entertain expectations as 
> s/he does herself.
Very interesting. I agree, but two birds who sing to find a candidate to 
copulation has also expectations.
expectations can be exchanged (for example, in language), and also be 
codified at the interpersonal level (for example, in legislation or in 
scholarly discourse).
>
> How does this relate to information? In my opinion, the dynamics of 
> meaning are driving cultural evolution.
I agree also !
> Information is needed at the bottom providing the variation. The codes 
> of communication -- for example, in discourse among biologists 
> (Pedro!) -- operate as next-order selection mechanisms.
What is exactly the role of selection in this process ?
> These selection mechanisms are not "objective" or observable, but can 
> be expected to operate and be hypotesized; for example, in a sociology 
> of communication. We have access to these discourses infra-reflexively.


> M G


> On Sat, Jul 16, 2016 at 4:42 PM, Michel Godron <migodron at wanadoo.fr 
> <mailto:migodron at wanadoo.fr>> wrote:
>
>
>     You wrote :
>     "First, humanity’s MAIN ADAPTIVE ROLE is “information,” if someone
>     questions that fact _I invite you to post your view _and I will
>     happily “reply.
>
>     My reply is  (in red) :
>     O K but I am not sure that the profound reason why it is true is
>     clear for every one : this constatation "humanity’s MAIN ADAPTIVE
>     ROLE is information,”  (or "information is the main way to adapt")
>     is true also for _any living being_, because the basic functioning
>     of Life is a tranmission of information. That information is
>     necessary for any living being to adapt to its environment in a
>     cybernetic system (which was not well understood by von
>     Bertalanffy cf. Fritjof Capra p. 48).
>
>      I could explain this with more details, if you want, for each of
>     the six main scales (molecules in a cell, genetics with DNA,
>     epigenetics, vegetal and animal communities, landscapes, humanity).
>
>     M. Godron
>
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> Loet Leydesdorff
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> Amsterdam School of Communications Research (ASCoR)
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