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<div class="moz-signature">Bien reçu votre message.
MERCI.
Cordialement.
M. Godron</div>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Le 17/07/2016 à 20:21, Loet Leydesdorff
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">Dear Michel
and colleagues, <br>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">I agree that
adaptation is not specifically human and that "humanity's main
adaptive role" is not to be defined as "information".<font
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<font color="#cc0000">I agree also !</font><br>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">The best
candidate for a spefically human is probably, in my opinion,
"double contingency": Ego expects Alter to entertain
expectations as s/he does herself. </div>
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<font color="#cc0000">Very interesting. I agree, but two birds who
sing to find a candidate to copulation has also expectations. <br>
</font>expectations can be exchanged (for example, in language), and
also be codified at the interpersonal level (for example, in
legislation or in scholarly discourse). <br>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">How does this
relate to information? In my opinion, the dynamics of meaning
are driving cultural evolution.</div>
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<font color="#cc0000">I agree also !</font>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"> Information
is needed at the bottom providing the variation. The codes of
communication -- for example, in discourse among biologists
(Pedro!) -- operate as next-order selection mechanisms. </div>
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<font color="#cc0000">What is exactly the role of selection in this
process ? <br>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">These
selection mechanisms are not "objective" or observable, but
can be expected to operate and be hypotesized; for example, in
a sociology of communication. We have access to these
discourses infra-reflexively. </div>
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type="cite">On Sat, Jul 16, 2016 at 4:42 PM, Michel Godron <span
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You wrote :<br>
"First, humanity’s MAIN ADAPTIVE ROLE is “information,” if
someone questions that fact <u>I invite you to post your
view </u>and I will happily “reply.<br>
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My reply is (in red) :<br>
<font color="#ff0000">O K but I am not sure that the
profound reason why it is true is clear for every one :
this constatation "humanity’s MAIN ADAPTIVE ROLE is
information,” (or "information is the main way to
adapt") is true also for <u>any living being</u>,
because the basic functioning of Life is a tranmission
of information. That information is necessary for any
living being to adapt to its environment in a cybernetic
system (which was not well understood by von Bertalanffy
cf. Fritjof Capra p. 48).<br>
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I could explain this with more details, if you want, </font><font
color="#ff0000"><font color="#ff0000">for each of the
six main scales (molecules in a cell, genetics with
DNA, epigenetics, vegetal and animal communities,
landscapes, humanity)</font>.<br>
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M. Godron<br>
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