[Fis] Short article by Chaitin on information incompleteness

John Collier Collierj at ukzn.ac.za
Tue Oct 27 17:44:05 CET 2015

I am inclined to agree with you, Joseph. Chaitin is a bit on the Platonic side (more so than Bertrand Russell, I would say). I think that we need to get a unification of the physical and the informational, as I have argued numerous times on this list. I have been working on some rigorous connections using the entropy concept, where information has units of per degree of freedom, but since most people don't understand entropy it is not clear to me that I have made real progress. So I haven't published the results yet until I can simplify the argument even more.

John Collier
Professor Emeritus, UKZN

From: Joseph Brenner [mailto:joe.brenner en bluewin.ch]
Sent: October 27, 2015 5:52 PM
To: John Collier; fis
Subject: Re: [Fis] Short article by Chaitin on information incompleteness

Dear John,

I hope the metamorphosis went smoothly.

Thanks for posting the Chaitin link. It is indeed a clear statement, or group of statements, and many of them confirm the respect due to to Chaitin as a mathematician.

However, my respect does not extend to the following, at the end of the article:

"To me as a pure mathematician, metabiology is justified if it enables us to prove beautiful theorems. More generally, software models and current work on quantum information and randomness show the importance of an idealistic as opposed to a materialist conception of nature. Information and computation are better than matter and energy. I expect that this is just the beginning and that, if we are fortunate, we will continue to see idealism supersede materialism, particularly in the much-to-be-desired basic theoretical understanding of consciousness and mind."

This kind of dichotomous dogma may sit well with the 'sponsors', but it does not bode well for progress in information science or philosophy. Is there anyone who feels it does?

Best wishes,

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From: John Collier<mailto:Collierj en ukzn.ac.za>
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A particularly clear statement of basic results of incompleteness, randomness, creativity, and a proposal for application to metabiology.


John Collier
Professor Emeritus, UKZN

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