[Fis] Fw: Five Momenta. Five Itineraries

Francesco Rizzo 13francesco.rizzo at gmail.com
Wed Oct 21 06:55:15 CEST 2015

Cari Pedro e Joseph, Cari Tutti,
ho scritto sempre le stesse cose. La conoscenza dell'armonia o l'armonia
della conoscenza è basta sulla super-legge dell'informazione (energia della
cultura) o dell'energia (informazione della natura). L'informazione
naturale o termodinamica, genetica, matematica e semantica sono
specificazioni della stessa unica legge. Il sapere è unico ed è servito
dalla scienza economica, mediatrice di tutte le scienze e fondamentale per
l'esistenza. Le leggi della natura o dell'arte o della poesia, etc. sono
leggi economiche nel senso che perseguono il massimo risultato con il
minimo delle risorse. Le "strutture dissipative" di Ilya Prigogine che
creano ordine dal disordine mediante fluttuazioni sono unità di carattere
generale. La mia "Nuova economia" si in-centra su questi pilastri. I miei
numerosi libri lo testimoniano. Purtroppo, essendo scritti in lingua
italiana, non sono tanto conosciuti, nemmeno da Voi. Pazienza. Comunque
Cari Tutti questa è la strada che bisogna perseguire non per una forma di
conoscenza generalista, bensì per creare una nuova alleanza tra le scienze
dell'uomo e le scienze della natura di cui non si può fare a meno. I
dettagli e le specificazioni specialistici vengono dopo e meglio se si
sceglie questa visione paradigmatica ed epistemologica.
Un abbraccio per tutti.
Francesco Rizzo.

2015-10-20 22:20 GMT+02:00 Joseph Brenner <joe.brenner en bluewin.ch>:

> Dear Pedro, Dear FISers,
> Pedro's note conveys very well the intellectual /Angst/ I and probably
> also many of you feel confronted by the complexity of the 'crazy story'
> which we are both tellers of and listeners to. Pedro's division into five
> domains of knowledge (and knowing) is a very useful first step. The second,
> I suggest, just to continue the thinking process, is to look for what
> underlies or might be common to the domains, as a possible part of what
> Pedro calls a multidisciplinary Itinerary. I can think of five candidates,
> some of which have been touched on recently. All of them address change and
> process in some way. None of them is fully adequate by itself, but perhaps
> a combination, with the addition of some others, might be. "Theories of
> Everything" need not apply. Please note that 1) no necessary meaning or
> hierarchical priority should be ascribed to the order used and 2) I have
> written exactly two sentences for each entry.
> 1. The Tao
> This universally valid attempt to conceive of and refer to an underlying
> unity of phenomena seems very relevant to today's problems. A key concept,
> among many others, is that the ambiguity and self-contradiction in language
> is not only accepted as inevitable but considered a necessary way of
> pointing to that unity.
> 2. Wu Kun's Philosophy of Information
> The first step here would be to accept that all of the momenta are
> constituted by information and hence constrained by the dynamics of
> information. In other words, I see the Philosophy of Information also as an
> /Itinerary/ rather than only as part of Momentum 1, part of the solution
> rather than of the problem, joining with Momentum 5.
> 3. Lupasco's Logic of Energy and Principle of Dynamic Opposition
> Action in all the domains listed by Pedro involves the expenditure of
> energy by an agent to effect change against a resistance of some kind,
> especially at the higher cognitive levels of human sociality (Momentum 4).
> Such interactions and antagonisms are the locus of change and the emergence
> of new entities at all the levels of reality of the momenta.
> 4. Transdisciplinarity (I)
> There is a growing general understanding that the boundaries of classical
> disciplines block the development of knowledge, and any methods which
> transcend their limitations will be constructive. This is certainly
> happening in Momentum 2, and Information Science has been clearly
> recognized as transdisciplinary.
> 5. Transdisciplinarity (II)
> The Nicolescu acceptation of Transdisciplinarity as that which lies
> within, between and beyond individual disciplines is even stronger. There
> is a unique tension between the ontological and epistemological aspects of
> this form of Transdisciplinarity that itself points toward a unity of
> knowledge.
> Pedro's call, in his last paragraph, is an instance of application of
> Itinerary 3 above, a proper maintainance of interaction with an excess of
> neither identity nor diversity. My note itself is an instance of Itinerary
> 5 (which includes 3 and 4) and suggests that a degree of self-reference is
> an indication of the possible utility of an approach. Self-reference is a
> key principle in art and humor and it may also be a key component of the
> structured coherence in science Pedro and we are seeking.
> Thank you,
> Joseph
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pedro C. Marijuan" <
> pcmarijuan.iacs en aragon.es>
> To: "'fis'" <fis en listas.unizar.es>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2015 5:31 PM
> Subject: [Fis] Five Momenta
> Dear FISers,
> In response to the recent philosophical exchanges, and curiously waiting
> to see how Steven solves his final posts (Benjamin Peirce is such an
> unjustly forgotten figure, not to speak about his arch-famous son), let
> me try some new "tangent" on the ongoing debate... I see but five
> different and interrelated "momenta" that should be aligned for the
> hypothetical advancement of the common info field.  The first one
> corresponds to philosophy, as the critical playground where
> dissatisfaction with the existing views should conduce to attempting
> more congenial new ways of thinking. Unsolved problems of the sciences,
> when they are general and affect several disciplines, easily generate
> philosophical debate--which can be helpful to suggest new inroads.
> Saying clearly "nope" to some philosophical and para-philosophical
> schools is quite valuable although it easily generates irritation and
> obfuscation in the concerned parties (that ingredient of "piquancy" also
> enlivens the debates).
> The second momentum would correspond to the biomolecular (primordials of
> life and cellular organization). The third momentum would wrap around
> the organismic and the neuronal (the evolutionary outcomes of
> multicellular life up to advanced nervous systems). I think they are so
> obvious that do not deserve further comment.
> The fourth momentum involves the roots of human sociality, up to the
> historical development of social complexity. And the fifth momentum
> belongs to the contemporary revolution around communication,
> information, etc. These two social momenta are being egregiously
> forgotten in most of our debates (not any more with the planned
> discussion sessions!)
> Unfortunately, none of those momenta --even looking too far away-- should
> be left in the dark. Most of our discussions seem to deal with
> the instrumental aspect, the math theories, constructs, and other
> knowledge bodies that may help to characterize abstractly different
> structures and dynamics where some classes of information seem to be
> involved. It is not difficult to achieve some interesting results in
> those theoretical and para-theoretical realms... but without connecting
> with some of those big momenta, trying to ride on their impetus, it
> won't be significant.
> A new multidisciplinary itinerary is needed--neither the piece meal nor
> the continuous entanglement would work to achieve it. Personally I find
> that the goal is very difficult. Too many things in too very disperse
> realms have to be cohered... So the allure of this crazy story!
> All the best--Pedro
> --
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