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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Caro Francesco,<br>
      your trans-in-form-azione echoes my paths of thinking<br>
      <a
        href="http://www.triple-c.at/index.php/tripleC/article/view/113/116">http://www.triple-c.at/index.php/tripleC/article/view/113/116</a><br>
      that started in 1976 <a href="http://www.capurro.de/info.html">http://www.capurro.de/info.html</a>
      when 'in-form-azione' was a very alien word for philosophers<br>
      auguri<br>
      Rafael<br>
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      <div dir="ltr">Caro Joseph,
        <div>desidero precisare che la parola composta che io uso è
          tras-in-form-azione, non trans-informazione. Questo per
          evitare almeno un equivoco.</div>
        <div>Buona domenica.</div>
        <div>Francesco.</div>
      </div>
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        <br>
        <div class="gmail_quote">2014-06-07 12:05 GMT+02:00 Francesco
          Rizzo <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="mailto:13francesco.rizzo@gmail.com" target="_blank">13francesco.rizzo@gmail.com</a>></span>:<br>
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            <div dir="ltr">Caro Joseph,
              <div>vedo che il mio ultimo messaggio è stato un poco
                raffazzonato. In ogni caso non penso che sia possibile
                soddisfare la Tua  legittima curiosità mediante brevi
                scritti. Ed è per questo che inizialmente mi sono
                permesso di suggerire la lettura di tre libri.
                Naturalmente, mi farò risentire anche per motivare, se
                serve, il perché "entropia" significa dis-informazione e
                "neg-entropia" informazione. Interessante è a questo
                proposito la lettura di "Che cos'è la vita?" di Erwin
                Schrodinger (con due puntini sopra la o).</div>
              <div>Grazie soprattutto per la Tua verve critica che
                apprezzo molto.</div>
              <div>Saluti.</div>
              <div>Francesco.</div>
            </div>
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              <br>
              <div class="gmail_quote">2014-06-07 8:53 GMT+02:00 Joseph
                Brenner <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                    href="mailto:joe.brenner@bluewin.ch" target="_blank">joe.brenner@bluewin.ch</a>></span>:
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                        <div><font face="Arial">Dear Francesco and All,</font></div>
                        <div> </div>
                        <div><font face="Arial">Here is a rough version
                            of Francesco's comment. I think it deserves
                            further critical comments, for example, on
                            the way it relates information and cultural
                            value and the co-generation of entropy and
                            negentropy, usually implicit but not spelled
                            out.</font></div>
                        <div> </div>
                        <div><span
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                            lang="EN">Thanks for your words. In the
                            early eighties I introduced the concept of
                            information-process (the action of giving or
                            taking form in time). In "The Economics of
                            Cultural Heritage" (1983), which became
                            "Economics of an
                            “architectural-environmental heritage," in
                            1989 (Franco Angeli, Milan ), in which,
                            inter alia, I define a negentropic cultural
                            value. I also applied to the city, during a
                            course on urban and regional economics at
                            the Faculty of Architecture of Palermo, in
                            1984-85, the compound word
                            trans-form-in-action (action of giving or
                            taking form over time that can /not/ not
                            trans-form) to the city, But what matters
                            most is to have conceived the activity of
                            economic production (in general) as a
                            process of trans-information whose "input"
                            (matter, energy and information) and
                            "output" (matter, energy and information)
                            are both negentropy and entropy. So my
                            theory of value (which applies not only to
                            the economy in the strict sense) can be
                            defined in simple-combination of creative
                            energy and information and, in a more
                            complex triangle of the three surpluses of
                            negentropy: thermodynamic or natural,
                            eco-biological and cultural-historical. So,
                            the marginal utility theory of value of
                            neoclassical economists is outdated and
                            (should be) thrown to the winds. In fact,
                            the "new economy" is a psycho-physical,
                            semiotic-hermeneutic and biological
                            technology sub-episteme. In summary, I
                            really think a new science of economics or
                            economics of science has been invented. For
                            Pedro’s re-discussion of information
                            encouraged me to send the above message
                            (without wishing to take any undue credit
                            for myself).</span><span
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                          <div><font face="Arial">Best,</font></div>
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                              <div><font face="Arial">Joseph</font></div>
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                            <div style="FONT:10pt arial">----- Original
                              Message ----- </div>
                            <div style="BACKGROUND:#e4e4e4;FONT:10pt
                              arial"><b>From:</b> <a
                                moz-do-not-send="true"
                                title="13francesco.rizzo@gmail.com"
                                href="mailto:13francesco.rizzo@gmail.com"
                                target="_blank">Francesco Rizzo</a> </div>
                          </div>
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                            <div>
                              <div style="FONT:10pt arial"><b>To:</b> <a
                                  moz-do-not-send="true"
                                  title="joe.brenner@bluewin.ch"
                                  href="mailto:joe.brenner@bluewin.ch"
                                  target="_blank">Joseph Brenner</a> </div>
                              <div style="FONT:10pt arial"><b>Cc:</b> <a
                                  moz-do-not-send="true"
                                  title="pcmarijuan.iacs@aragon.es"
                                  href="mailto:pcmarijuan.iacs@aragon.es"
                                  target="_blank">Pedro C. Marijuan</a>
                                ; <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                  title="fis@listas.unizar.es"
                                  href="mailto:fis@listas.unizar.es"
                                  target="_blank">fis@listas.unizar.es</a>
                              </div>
                              <div style="FONT:10pt arial"><b>Sent:</b>
                                Friday, June 06, 2014 12:37 PM</div>
                              <div style="FONT:10pt arial"><b>Subject:</b>
                                Re: [Fis] Information Science and the
                                City. Trans-in-form-action</div>
                              <div><br>
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                              <div dir="ltr">Caro Joseph,
                                <div>grazie per le Tue parole.
                                  All'inizio degli anni Ottanta ho
                                  introdotto il concetto-processo di
                                  informazione (azione del dare o
                                  prendere forma nel tempo) In "Economia
                                  dei beni culturali"(1983), divenuto
                                  "Economia del patrimonio
                                  architettonico-ambientale" nel 1989
                                  (FrancoAngeli, Milano), in cui fra
                                  l'altro definisco i beni culturali
                                  neg-entropici. Inoltre ho impiegato la
                                  parola composta tras-in-form-azione
                                  (azione del dare o prendere forma nel
                                  tempo che non può non tras-formarsi)
                                  alla città durante lo svolgimento del
                                  corso di economia urbana e regionale
                                  nella Facoltà di Architettura di
                                  Palermo, nell'A.a. 1984-85. Ma quel
                                  che conta di più è l'avere concepito
                                  l'attività di produzione economica (in
                                  senso generale) come un processo di
                                  tras-informazione i cui "input"
                                  (materia, energia e informazione) e
                                  "output" (materia, energia e
                                  informazione) sono neg-entropia ed
                                  entropia. Quindi la mia teoria del
                                  valore (che non vale solo per
                                  l'economia in senso stretto) può
                                  definirsi- in modo semplice-
                                  combinazione creativa di energia e
                                  informazione e, in modo più complesso,
                                  triangolo dei tre surplus o
                                  neg-entropie: termodinamici o
                                  naturali, eco-biologici e
                                  storico-culturali. Sicché la teoria
                                  del valore-utilità marginale degli
                                  economisti neoclassici è sorpassata e
                                  da buttare alle ortiche. Difatti la
                                  "Nuova economia" è in-centrata
                                  sull'episteme
                                  psico-fisica,semiotico-ermeneutica e
                                  biologico-tecnologica. Insomma, penso
                                  davvero  di avere inventato una nuova
                                  scienza dell'economia o  economia
                                  della scienza. Per questo appena Pedro
                                  ha ri-parlato di informazione  sono
                                  stato stimolato a mandare il messaggio
                                  precedente.</div>
                                <div>Ribadisco, però, che non intendo
                                  menare alcun vanto.</div>
                                <div>Cordiali saluti.</div>
                                <div>Francesco Rizzo.</div>
                                <div><br>
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                              <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
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                                <div class="gmail_quote">2014-06-06 9:49
                                  GMT+02:00 Joseph Brenner <span
                                    dir="ltr"><<a
                                      moz-do-not-send="true"
                                      href="mailto:joe.brenner@bluewin.ch"
                                      target="_blank">joe.brenner@bluewin.ch</a>></span>:<br>
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                                      <div><font face="Arial">Dear
                                          Francesco,</font></div>
                                      <div> </div>
                                      <div><font face="Arial">Thank you
                                          for a most interesting
                                          overview of your work. What I
                                          would be most interested
                                          in would be a summary of
                                          the real processes underlying
                                          "trans-in-form-action" and
                                          its relation to information -
                                          and "trans-information". The
                                          use of the prefix 'trans-' in
                                          transdisciplinarity is
                                          intended (by Nicolescu) to
                                          refer to something that lies
                                          within, between and beyond
                                          specific disciplines. Another
                                          non-trivial use of 'trans-'
                                          was made by Pedro.</font></div>
                                      <div> </div>
                                      <div><font face="Arial">(Some 14
                                          years ago, I defined
                                          'trans-creation' as the
                                          creation of artistic documents
                                          or objects with some social
                                          relevance, that is, to the
                                          common good. It is important
                                          to understand, in this
                                          connection, how information
                                          carries such relevance.) </font></div>
                                      <div> </div>
                                      <div><font face="Arial">If you
                                          prefer to answer in Italian
                                          rather than English, unless
                                          there is someone else in the
                                          group with Italian-language
                                          skills, I would undertake to
                                          make a rough translation (or
                                          edit a machine-translation).</font></div>
                                      <div> </div>
                                      <div><font face="Arial">Best
                                          regards,</font></div>
                                      <div> </div>
                                      <div><font face="Arial">Joseph</font></div>
                                      <div> </div>
                                      <div><font face="Arial">(Joseph E.
                                          Brenner, Ph.D.)</font></div>
                                      <div><font face="Arial">VP-Inter-and
                                          Transdisciplinarity,
                                          International Society for
                                          Information Science)</font></div>
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                                        <div style="FONT:10pt arial">-----
                                          Original Message ----- </div>
                                        <div
                                          style="BACKGROUND:#e4e4e4;FONT:10pt
                                          arial"><b>From:</b> <a
                                            moz-do-not-send="true"
                                            title="13francesco.rizzo@gmail.com"
href="mailto:13francesco.rizzo@gmail.com" target="_blank">Francesco
                                            Rizzo</a> </div>
                                        <div style="FONT:10pt arial"><b>To:</b>
                                          <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                            title="pcmarijuan.iacs@aragon.es"
href="mailto:pcmarijuan.iacs@aragon.es" target="_blank">Pedro C.
                                            Marijuan</a> </div>
                                        <div style="FONT:10pt arial"><b>Cc:</b>
                                          <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                            title="fis@listas.unizar.es"
href="mailto:fis@listas.unizar.es" target="_blank">fis@listas.unizar.es</a>
                                        </div>
                                        <div style="FONT:10pt arial"><b>Sent:</b>
                                          Thursday, June 05, 2014 4:31
                                          PM</div>
                                        <div style="FONT:10pt arial"><b>Subject:</b>
                                          Re: [Fis] Information Science
                                          and the City</div>
                                        <div><br>
                                        </div>
                                        <div dir="ltr">Caro Pedro e cari
                                          tutti,
                                          <div>mi permetto di segnalarVi
                                            che la mia "Nuova economia"
                                            è basata sul  processo di
                                            tras-in-form-azione. Si cfr.
                                            a tal proposito, fra i tanti
                                            altri:</div>
                                          <div>-Rizzo F., ""Valore e
                                            valutazioni. La scienza
                                            dell'economia o l'economia
                                            della scienza", FancoAngeli,
                                            Milano 1999;</div>
                                          <div>-Rizzo F., "Nuova
                                            economia. Felicità del
                                            lavoro creativo e della
                                            conservazione della natura.
                                            Infelicità della
                                            speculazione finanziaria",
                                            Aracne editrice, Roma, 2013;</div>
                                          <div>-Rizzo F., "Incontro
                                            d'amore tra il cuore della
                                            fede e l'intelligenza della
                                            scienza. Un salto nel
                                            cielo", Aracne editrice,
                                            Roma 2014.</div>
                                          <div>Ho dedicato mezzo secolo
                                            di ricerca per
                                            ri-comprendere e
                                            ri-significare la scienza
                                            economica. Quello che scrivo
                                            non  è una presunzione.</div>
                                          <div>Auguri per un'intensa
                                            ripresa e grazie.</div>
                                          <div>Francesco Rizzo.</div>
                                          <div><br>
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                                        </div>
                                        <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
                                          <br>
                                          <div class="gmail_quote">2014-06-05
                                            14:25 GMT+02:00 Pedro C.
                                            Marijuan <span dir="ltr"><<a
                                                moz-do-not-send="true"
                                                href="mailto:pcmarijuan.iacs@aragon.es"
                                                target="_blank">pcmarijuan.iacs@aragon.es</a>></span>:<br>
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                                              <br>
                                              Among the many interesting
                                              themes where the
                                              information science
                                              perspective may provide
                                              useful orientations,
                                              cities are one of the most
                                              singular. A recent work by
                                              Michel Batty on the New
                                              Science of Cities (2013,
                                              MIT) makes a lot of
                                              connections with our oft
                                              discussed info topics. A
                                              Communication Theory of
                                              Urban Growth was developed
                                              by Richard Meier (1962); a
                                              fluxes perspective was
                                              already attempted by
                                              Patrick Geddes (1949). In
                                              essence I have found that
                                              the idea of information
                                              flows and material flows
                                              as catching and
                                              intertwining each other,
                                              with their highly
                                              different regimes,
                                              heterogeneity and energy
                                              contents, appears as an
                                              important focus in order
                                              to better understand the
                                              globalized city. Scaling
                                              is one of the essential
                                              concepts...<br>
                                              <br>
                                              I am not aware that
                                              scaling has been applied
                                              to the informational
                                              analysis itself (obviously
                                              it is the cornerstone of
                                              self-similarity). What I
                                              mean is that a micro-level
                                              of communication analysis
                                              may be quite different
                                              from the meso-level, and
                                              the from macro-level.
                                              Thinking in the human case
                                              (biologically it could
                                              make sense too) the micro
                                              level is dominated by
                                              syntaxis, by a Shannonian
                                              type of analysis on
                                              messages emitted from a
                                              sourced to a receiver. The
                                              meso level contains
                                              meaning, value (fitness),
                                              purpose, and in general it
                                              implies the communication
                                              associated to the
                                              behavioral episodes and
                                              living rhythms of
                                              individuals. While in the
                                              macro level, many
                                              individuals' actions,
                                              works, products, etc. are
                                              aggregated into fluxes or
                                              flows, basically of two
                                              kinds those devoted to the
                                              material (self-production)
                                              and those carrying the
                                              info stuff devoted to
                                              communication; then it
                                              invites analysis of
                                              network science,
                                              operations research,
                                              economic efficiency, etc.,
                                              and of course the direct
                                              flow perspective as Bejan
                                              and Peder (2011) have
                                              attempted in one of the
                                              most interesting theories
                                              on self-constructing flow
                                              systems. Depending on the
                                              information perspective in
                                              which we observe human
                                              communication, we will
                                              need one or another lens
                                              to better make sense of
                                              what is happening.<br>
                                              <br>
                                              My impression is that a
                                              more mature info science
                                              could be quite helpful in
                                              this new field of urban
                                              development science --most
                                              people nowadays are living
                                              in cities. Top down
                                              planning will fail if it
                                              is does not match with the
                                              bottom up processes, both
                                              in communication and
                                              self-production aspects.
                                              Keeping an adequate social
                                              flow of information, a
                                              well-mixed regime of
                                              communication, is the
                                              essence of democracy. The
                                              contemporary "epidemics of
                                              loneliness" for instance
                                              may be due among other
                                              social and demographic
                                              causes to failures in
                                              bureaucratic high level
                                              planning...<br>
                                              <br>
                                              best ---Pedro<br>
                                              <br>
                                              PS. After the nasty
                                              computer crash months ago,
                                              we should try to enliven
                                              the list--shouldn't we?<br>
                                              <br>
                                              -- <br>
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                                              Pedro C. Marijuán<br>
                                              Grupo de Bioinformación /
                                              Bioinformation Group<br>
                                              Instituto Aragonés de
                                              Ciencias de la Salud<br>
                                              Centro de Investigación
                                              Biomédica de Aragón (CIBA)<br>
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Hochschule der Medien (HdM), Stuttgart, Germany
Capurro Fiek Foundation for Information Ethics (<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.capurro-fiek-foundation.org">http://www.capurro-fiek-foundation.org</a>)
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