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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Caro Francesco,<br>
your trans-in-form-azione echoes my paths of thinking<br>
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that started in 1976 <a href="http://www.capurro.de/info.html">http://www.capurro.de/info.html</a>
when 'in-form-azione' was a very alien word for philosophers<br>
auguri<br>
Rafael<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Caro Joseph,
<div>desidero precisare che la parola composta che io uso è
tras-in-form-azione, non trans-informazione. Questo per
evitare almeno un equivoco.</div>
<div>Buona domenica.</div>
<div>Francesco.</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">2014-06-07 12:05 GMT+02:00 Francesco
Rizzo <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<div dir="ltr">Caro Joseph,
<div>vedo che il mio ultimo messaggio è stato un poco
raffazzonato. In ogni caso non penso che sia possibile
soddisfare la Tua legittima curiosità mediante brevi
scritti. Ed è per questo che inizialmente mi sono
permesso di suggerire la lettura di tre libri.
Naturalmente, mi farò risentire anche per motivare, se
serve, il perché "entropia" significa dis-informazione e
"neg-entropia" informazione. Interessante è a questo
proposito la lettura di "Che cos'è la vita?" di Erwin
Schrodinger (con due puntini sopra la o).</div>
<div>Grazie soprattutto per la Tua verve critica che
apprezzo molto.</div>
<div>Saluti.</div>
<div>Francesco.</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">2014-06-07 8:53 GMT+02:00 Joseph
Brenner <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<div><font face="Arial">Dear Francesco and All,</font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial">Here is a rough version
of Francesco's comment. I think it deserves
further critical comments, for example, on
the way it relates information and cultural
value and the co-generation of entropy and
negentropy, usually implicit but not spelled
out.</font></div>
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<div><span
style="FONT-SIZE:10pt;COLOR:#222222;FONT-FAMILY:Arial"
lang="EN">Thanks for your words. In the
early eighties I introduced the concept of
information-process (the action of giving or
taking form in time). In "The Economics of
Cultural Heritage" (1983), which became
"Economics of an
“architectural-environmental heritage," in
1989 (Franco Angeli, Milan ), in which,
inter alia, I define a negentropic cultural
value. I also applied to the city, during a
course on urban and regional economics at
the Faculty of Architecture of Palermo, in
1984-85, the compound word
trans-form-in-action (action of giving or
taking form over time that can /not/ not
trans-form) to the city, But what matters
most is to have conceived the activity of
economic production (in general) as a
process of trans-information whose "input"
(matter, energy and information) and
"output" (matter, energy and information)
are both negentropy and entropy. So my
theory of value (which applies not only to
the economy in the strict sense) can be
defined in simple-combination of creative
energy and information and, in a more
complex triangle of the three surpluses of
negentropy: thermodynamic or natural,
eco-biological and cultural-historical. So,
the marginal utility theory of value of
neoclassical economists is outdated and
(should be) thrown to the winds. In fact,
the "new economy" is a psycho-physical,
semiotic-hermeneutic and biological
technology sub-episteme. In summary, I
really think a new science of economics or
economics of science has been invented. For
Pedro’s re-discussion of information
encouraged me to send the above message
(without wishing to take any undue credit
for myself).</span><span
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<div><font face="Arial">Best,</font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial">Joseph</font></div>
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title="joe.brenner@bluewin.ch"
href="mailto:joe.brenner@bluewin.ch"
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<div style="FONT:10pt arial"><b>Cc:</b> <a
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href="mailto:pcmarijuan.iacs@aragon.es"
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<div style="FONT:10pt arial"><b>Sent:</b>
Friday, June 06, 2014 12:37 PM</div>
<div style="FONT:10pt arial"><b>Subject:</b>
Re: [Fis] Information Science and the
City. Trans-in-form-action</div>
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<div dir="ltr">Caro Joseph,
<div>grazie per le Tue parole.
All'inizio degli anni Ottanta ho
introdotto il concetto-processo di
informazione (azione del dare o
prendere forma nel tempo) In "Economia
dei beni culturali"(1983), divenuto
"Economia del patrimonio
architettonico-ambientale" nel 1989
(FrancoAngeli, Milano), in cui fra
l'altro definisco i beni culturali
neg-entropici. Inoltre ho impiegato la
parola composta tras-in-form-azione
(azione del dare o prendere forma nel
tempo che non può non tras-formarsi)
alla città durante lo svolgimento del
corso di economia urbana e regionale
nella Facoltà di Architettura di
Palermo, nell'A.a. 1984-85. Ma quel
che conta di più è l'avere concepito
l'attività di produzione economica (in
senso generale) come un processo di
tras-informazione i cui "input"
(materia, energia e informazione) e
"output" (materia, energia e
informazione) sono neg-entropia ed
entropia. Quindi la mia teoria del
valore (che non vale solo per
l'economia in senso stretto) può
definirsi- in modo semplice-
combinazione creativa di energia e
informazione e, in modo più complesso,
triangolo dei tre surplus o
neg-entropie: termodinamici o
naturali, eco-biologici e
storico-culturali. Sicché la teoria
del valore-utilità marginale degli
economisti neoclassici è sorpassata e
da buttare alle ortiche. Difatti la
"Nuova economia" è in-centrata
sull'episteme
psico-fisica,semiotico-ermeneutica e
biologico-tecnologica. Insomma, penso
davvero di avere inventato una nuova
scienza dell'economia o economia
della scienza. Per questo appena Pedro
ha ri-parlato di informazione sono
stato stimolato a mandare il messaggio
precedente.</div>
<div>Ribadisco, però, che non intendo
menare alcun vanto.</div>
<div>Cordiali saluti.</div>
<div>Francesco Rizzo.</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">2014-06-06 9:49
GMT+02:00 Joseph Brenner <span
dir="ltr"><<a
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<div><font face="Arial">Dear
Francesco,</font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial">Thank you
for a most interesting
overview of your work. What I
would be most interested
in would be a summary of
the real processes underlying
"trans-in-form-action" and
its relation to information -
and "trans-information". The
use of the prefix 'trans-' in
transdisciplinarity is
intended (by Nicolescu) to
refer to something that lies
within, between and beyond
specific disciplines. Another
non-trivial use of 'trans-'
was made by Pedro.</font></div>
<div> </div>
<div><font face="Arial">(Some 14
years ago, I defined
'trans-creation' as the
creation of artistic documents
or objects with some social
relevance, that is, to the
common good. It is important
to understand, in this
connection, how information
carries such relevance.) </font></div>
<div> </div>
<div><font face="Arial">If you
prefer to answer in Italian
rather than English, unless
there is someone else in the
group with Italian-language
skills, I would undertake to
make a rough translation (or
edit a machine-translation).</font></div>
<div> </div>
<div><font face="Arial">Best
regards,</font></div>
<div> </div>
<div><font face="Arial">Joseph</font></div>
<div> </div>
<div><font face="Arial">(Joseph E.
Brenner, Ph.D.)</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial">VP-Inter-and
Transdisciplinarity,
International Society for
Information Science)</font></div>
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Re: [Fis] Information Science
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<div dir="ltr">Caro Pedro e cari
tutti,
<div>mi permetto di segnalarVi
che la mia "Nuova economia"
è basata sul processo di
tras-in-form-azione. Si cfr.
a tal proposito, fra i tanti
altri:</div>
<div>-Rizzo F., ""Valore e
valutazioni. La scienza
dell'economia o l'economia
della scienza", FancoAngeli,
Milano 1999;</div>
<div>-Rizzo F., "Nuova
economia. Felicità del
lavoro creativo e della
conservazione della natura.
Infelicità della
speculazione finanziaria",
Aracne editrice, Roma, 2013;</div>
<div>-Rizzo F., "Incontro
d'amore tra il cuore della
fede e l'intelligenza della
scienza. Un salto nel
cielo", Aracne editrice,
Roma 2014.</div>
<div>Ho dedicato mezzo secolo
di ricerca per
ri-comprendere e
ri-significare la scienza
economica. Quello che scrivo
non è una presunzione.</div>
<div>Auguri per un'intensa
ripresa e grazie.</div>
<div>Francesco Rizzo.</div>
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14:25 GMT+02:00 Pedro C.
Marijuan <span dir="ltr"><<a
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solid">Dear FISers,<br>
<br>
Among the many interesting
themes where the
information science
perspective may provide
useful orientations,
cities are one of the most
singular. A recent work by
Michel Batty on the New
Science of Cities (2013,
MIT) makes a lot of
connections with our oft
discussed info topics. A
Communication Theory of
Urban Growth was developed
by Richard Meier (1962); a
fluxes perspective was
already attempted by
Patrick Geddes (1949). In
essence I have found that
the idea of information
flows and material flows
as catching and
intertwining each other,
with their highly
different regimes,
heterogeneity and energy
contents, appears as an
important focus in order
to better understand the
globalized city. Scaling
is one of the essential
concepts...<br>
<br>
I am not aware that
scaling has been applied
to the informational
analysis itself (obviously
it is the cornerstone of
self-similarity). What I
mean is that a micro-level
of communication analysis
may be quite different
from the meso-level, and
the from macro-level.
Thinking in the human case
(biologically it could
make sense too) the micro
level is dominated by
syntaxis, by a Shannonian
type of analysis on
messages emitted from a
sourced to a receiver. The
meso level contains
meaning, value (fitness),
purpose, and in general it
implies the communication
associated to the
behavioral episodes and
living rhythms of
individuals. While in the
macro level, many
individuals' actions,
works, products, etc. are
aggregated into fluxes or
flows, basically of two
kinds those devoted to the
material (self-production)
and those carrying the
info stuff devoted to
communication; then it
invites analysis of
network science,
operations research,
economic efficiency, etc.,
and of course the direct
flow perspective as Bejan
and Peder (2011) have
attempted in one of the
most interesting theories
on self-constructing flow
systems. Depending on the
information perspective in
which we observe human
communication, we will
need one or another lens
to better make sense of
what is happening.<br>
<br>
My impression is that a
more mature info science
could be quite helpful in
this new field of urban
development science --most
people nowadays are living
in cities. Top down
planning will fail if it
is does not match with the
bottom up processes, both
in communication and
self-production aspects.
Keeping an adequate social
flow of information, a
well-mixed regime of
communication, is the
essence of democracy. The
contemporary "epidemics of
loneliness" for instance
may be due among other
social and demographic
causes to failures in
bureaucratic high level
planning...<br>
<br>
best ---Pedro<br>
<br>
PS. After the nasty
computer crash months ago,
we should try to enliven
the list--shouldn't we?<br>
<br>
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Grupo de Bioinformación /
Bioinformation Group<br>
Instituto Aragonés de
Ciencias de la Salud<br>
Centro de Investigación
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