[Fis] FIS discussion

Tue Sep 29 19:03:16 CEST 2026

Dear Magnus, Pedro and colleagues,

Thank you, Magnus. I found your ideas very interesting, particularly the 
discussion around T-patterns.

It made me think about some of the work we are doing on doctor–patient 
co-decision. We analyse medical consultations as sequences of doctor and 
patient interventions, looking at sentiment, emotions, entropy and how 
these evolve during the conversation.

Reading your message, I was wondering whether T-patterns could help us 
look at these interactions from another perspective: not just how 
individual measures change over time, but whether there are recurring 
patterns in the way doctors and patients interact and make decisions 
together.

We are also starting to explore the use of LLMs in this context, so I 
found your connection with AI especially interesting. Perhaps there is 
some common ground here between T-patterns, NLP/LLMs and the analysis of 
human interaction.

I would be very interested to hear your thoughts.

Best regards,

Jorge

El 28/09/2026 a las 20:34, Pedro C. Marijuán escribió:
> Dear Magnus,
>
> Many thanks for your inspiring presentation. I think the functional 
> importance of the fixed memory of "written" strings in the emergence 
> of biological complexity and of social complexity has not been 
> sufficiently highlighted.
>
> On the one side, individuation and species as reproductive communities 
> became possible, and on the other, learned individuals and national as 
> well as religious collectives could be formally structured. Still they 
> form the kernel of our world.
>
> "Scripture" was at the heart of medieval monastic system, which was 
> ruined by the "automation" of texts by the printing press, and wiped 
> out by all the industrial new power and written materialization 
> possibilities. Then, the AI text autonomy of today opens a new era on 
> the unknown.
>
> Around all these systems, the idea of selfsimilarity is tempting, 
> running well in some limited realms, but in general it finds major 
> organization dissimilarities... How could be solved the very different 
> information regimes across scales?
>
> In particular T patterns in behavior look quite cogent, can you 
> explain it a little bit?
>
> Regards,
> --Pedro
>
> -------------------------------------------------
> Pedro C. Marijuán
> Grupo de Bioinformación / Bioinformation Group
> http://sites.google.com/site/pedrocmarijuan/ 
> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://sites.google.com/site/pedrocmarijuan/__;!!D9dNQwwGXtA!TgXv0kqsKX3ov_C7tO3bEEapihdNJybk5ItSZyJfWNjdJQlPXfwKeNl6e_CJlFMhNGDqOgTke4oCPRO-msI3fgGFdwTP$>
> pedroc.marijuan at gmail.com
> pedroc.marijuan at gmail.com
>
> http://sites.google.com/site/pedrocmarijuan/ 
> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://sites.google.com/site/pedrocmarijuan/__;!!D9dNQwwGXtA!TgXv0kqsKX3ov_C7tO3bEEapihdNJybk5ItSZyJfWNjdJQlPXfwKeNl6e_CJlFMhNGDqOgTke4oCPRO-msI3fgGFdwTP$>
> http://fis.sciforum.net/ 
> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://fis.sciforum.net/__;!!D9dNQwwGXtA!TgXv0kqsKX3ov_C7tO3bEEapihdNJybk5ItSZyJfWNjdJQlPXfwKeNl6e_CJlFMhNGDqOgTke4oCPRO-msI3fo1jvpam$>
>
>
> El sáb, 26 sept 2026 10:50, Marcus Abundis <marcus.abundis at gmail.com> 
> escribió:
>
>     Hi Magnus,
>
>     I am unsure of what patterns (I need specific examples) you have
>     in mind when you mention ’patterns’. I don’t disagree that such
>     patterns exist, or their importance, but I just don’t know what
>     YOU mean by patterns when you use the word here. In some ways I
>     see what you speak as simply the transition from a purely
>     mechanical stimulus-response '*material* /inanimate/ world', onto
>     a more fluid stimulus-/processing/-response '*adaptive* /animate/
>     world'. The latter realized via 'materially encoded substrates'
>     (information: matter used in a specific manner, that encodes
>     'behavioral functions' and more), where innate '/meaningful/
>     patterns' mark the advent of 'abstraction' . . . later followed by
>     cognitive abstractions, onto society, etc. It thus implies a broad
>     type of a 'theory of meaning', no?
>
>     I do not recall anyone writing SPECIFICALLY about this vital
>     'encoded' inanimate-adaptive transition, but in some ways
>     this transition is also fairly self-evident in the advent of
>     genomics, no? Does one REALLY need to assign new terms (T-strings,
>     T-patterns, etc.) to this matter?! IF one instead detailed
>     SPECIFIC patterns tied to this inanimate-adaptive transition, and
>     other adaptions beyond that, THAT would be important work, I think.
>
>     I too work in this area of research, but from a slightly different
>     perspective. Perhaps of interest . . . I attach a draft copy of a
>     related paper I am currently working on that covers this area, for
>     planned presentation at IOCPh2026 in late October.
>     Understand-able Rudiments in World Modeling
>     <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://drive.google.com/file/d/1AeML8jcHiGFRR648eZO38vUHCIuRFp0x/view?usp=share_link__;!!D9dNQwwGXtA!UzDd2M9OeN6-i5mBUUQ98Ctv3AV9h8l-7WsbFpghySlO2KLZzfJ-BeRnYpbs56BdxYsI_67kjgX_0MrDUqYrOqaRE4M$>
>
>     Marcus
>     _______________________________________________
>     Fis mailing list
>     Fis at listas.unizar.es
>     http://listas.unizar.es/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fis
>     ----------
>     INFORMACIÓN SOBRE PROTECCIÓN DE DATOS DE CARÁCTER PERSONAL
>
>     Ud. recibe este correo por pertenecer a una lista de correo
>     gestionada por la Universidad de Zaragoza.
>     Puede encontrar toda la información sobre como tratamos sus datos
>     en el siguiente enlace:
>     https://sicuz.unizar.es/informacion-sobre-proteccion-de-datos-de-caracter-personal-en-listas
>     Recuerde que si está suscrito a una lista voluntaria Ud. puede
>     darse de baja desde la propia aplicación en el momento en que lo
>     desee.
>     http://listas.unizar.es
>     ----------
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Fis mailing list
> Fis at listas.unizar.es
> http://listas.unizar.es/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fis
> ----------
> INFORMACIÓN SOBRE PROTECCIÓN DE DATOS DE CARÁCTER PERSONAL
>
> Ud. recibe este correo por pertenecer a una lista de correo gestionada por la Universidad de Zaragoza.
> Puede encontrar toda la información sobre como tratamos sus datos en el siguiente enlace:https://sicuz.unizar.es/informacion-sobre-proteccion-de-datos-de-caracter-personal-en-listas
> Recuerde que si está suscrito a una lista voluntaria Ud. puede darse de baja desde la propia aplicación en el momento en que lo desee.
> http://listas.unizar.es
> ----------
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://listas.unizar.es/pipermail/fis/attachments/20260929/ce171cd8/attachment.html>