[Fis] AI Armchair Experiment?

[Eric Werner]

Hi Marcus,

Glad you looked at the two papers:

https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://tark.org/proceedings/tark_mar7_88/p129-werner.pdf__;!!D9dNQwwGXtA!SIobdMiWB9YsXMljAepQxCAeuuICFG6BMEcCMohoY1LTD3xgb-j5jX3RDW1jwYNZu9fLwf-NgOeAn7VCOTrTXZI$  //published in 
TARK 1988

https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.researchgate.net/publication/323030035_Logical_Foundations_of_Distributed_Artificial_Intelligence__;!!D9dNQwwGXtA!SIobdMiWB9YsXMljAepQxCAeuuICFG6BMEcCMohoY1LTD3xgb-j5jX3RDW1jwYNZu9fLwf-NgOeAn7VCdwvJHh4$  
//published as chapter as shown in the pdf

Seldom people actually read outside their area. And I would not be too 
quick to discount their content.

While I agree with a good bit of reductionism is healthy, but sometimes 
it is good to look the whole or end product or goal as that influences 
the reductive process. Two stones of the same material will have vastly 
different substructures but still can weigh behave the same in most 
situations. Looking at the underbelly too long you can get lost in 
irrelevancies. The whole notion of functional state tries to avoid 
reductionism. So a mix of both is good.

By the way do you want to continue to copy to fis? My original comment 
was to you only.

Just a thought

Eric

On 3/30/25 9:29 PM, Marcus Abundis wrote:
> Hey Eric,
>
> I looked quickly at the two papers you mentioned. I think that 
> *ultimately* we hold very sympathetic views. . . although I also think 
> my project is necessarily more reductive – that is just my focus at 
> this point in time. I purposely cover a most basic perspective (a 
> priori, S-O modeling) for GENERAL informatic meaning and intelligence. 
> I do this as all previous errors I saw in the literature arise from 
> weakness in grasping this most essential lower level. Only after lower 
> level errors are corrected or resolved is it (I think) possible to 
> usefully frame higher order issues - such as your distributed AI. I 
> feel there is still much more work to do on this lower level, before 
> we will see truly firm AI and AGI advances.
>
> Marcus
>
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