[Fis] Biologic - at the interface between biology, topology, logic and cybernetics (by Lou Kauffman)

Pedro C. Marijuán pedroc.marijuan at gmail.com
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Asunto: 	Re: Biologic - at the interface between biology, topology, 
logic and cybernetics.
Fecha: 	Fri, 3 Jan 2025 12:38:13 -0600
De: 	Louis Kauffman <loukau at gmail.com>
Para: 	"Pedro C. Marijuán" <pedroc.marijuan at gmail.com>


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*Biologic - at the interface between biology, topology, logic and 
cybernetics.*
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*Louis H Kauffman, UIC*

“What can be shown, cannot be said.”
“Was gezeigt werden kann, kann nicht gesagt werden.”
(Wittgenstein, Tractatus, 4.1212)

“We take the form of distinction for the form.”
(Spencer-Brown, Laws of Form, Chapter 1)

What is the form of biology?
Is there a biology of form?

In particular, this is a study of different forms and formalisms for 
replication. We concentrate on diagrammatic formal systems not only for 
the sake of showing how there may be fundamental mathematical structure 
in biology, but also to consider philosophical and phenomenological 
points of view in relation to natural science and mathematics. The 
relationship with phenomenology comes about in the questions that arise 
about the nature of the observer in relation to the observed that arise 
in philosophy, but also in science in the very act of determining the 
context and models upon which it shall be based. Our original point of 
departure was the idea of distinction and cybernetic epistemology. 
Cybernetic epistemology has much to say about the relation of the self 
to structures that may harbor a self. What is the interlacement of 
selves and organisms?
Our point of view is structural. There is a distinct difference between 
building up structures in terms of principles and imagining that models 
of the world are constructed from some sort of building-bricks. I want 
  to make this point as early as possible because in mathematics one 
naturally generates hierarchies, but that does not make the 
mathematician a reductionist. We think of geometry as the consequences 
of certain axioms for the purpose of organizing our knowledge, not to 
insist that these axioms are in any way other than logically prior to 
the theorems of the system. Just so, we look for fundamental patterns 
from which certain complexes of phenomena and ideas can be organized. 
This does not entail any assumption about ``the world'' or how the world 
may be built from parts. What is a part that a world might be built from it?

We examine the schema behind the reproduction of DNA. The pattern of the 
DNA reproduction is very simple. The DNA molecule consists of two 
interwound strands, the Watson Strand (W)  and the Crick Strand (C). The 
two strands are bonded to each other via a backbone of base-pairings and 
these bonds can be broken by certain enzymes present in the cell. In 
reproduction of DNA the bonds between the two strands are broken and the 
two strands then acquire the needed complementary base molecules from 
the cellular environment to reconstitute each a separate copy of the 
DNA. At this level the situation can be described by a symbolism like this.
DNA = <W|C> ----->  <W| E |C> ----->  <W|C> <W|C> = DNA DNA.
Here E stands for the environment of the cell. The first arrow denotes 
the separation of the DNA into the two strands. The second arrow denotes 
the action between the bare strands and the environment (the creation of 
new base-pairings) that leads to the production of the two DNA molecules.

Much is left out of this schema. Indeed the DNA molecule is a tight 
spiral winding of its two interlocked strands and so the new DNA's would 
be linked around one another if it were not for the work of toposomerase 
enzymes that manage to unlink the new DNA's in time for cell division to 
occur. Nevertheless, this is the large scale description of the 
replication of DNA that is fundamental to the division of cells and to 
the continuance of living organisms.

This form of replication can be compared with other forms. For example, 
John von Neumann suggested a “building machine” B such that when B is 
supplied with a “blueprint” x then
B, x —> B,x , X,x
This means that B and the blueprint x will produce X the entity whose 
plan is x along with a copy of the blueprint x. The first B,x is the 
persistence of the original machine B.
Let b be the blueprint for B itself. Then
B,b —> B,b , B,b.
The Von Neumann Machine replicates itself.
In the comparison, we see that The DNA contains (in its strands) the 
blueprint for its own replication.

The comparison made, what questions do you ask? The mathematical roots 
of von Neumann’s construction are very deep. What are the 
physical/biological roots of the DNA replication?

We invite the reader to examine the form of the science involved in this 
well-known description. We speak of the DNA molecules as though we could 
see them directly in the phenomenology of our ordinary sight. Science 
does involve the direct extension of sight as the experience of looking 
through a telescope or a light microscope. But in the case of the DNA 
one proceeds by logical consistency and the indirect but vivid images 
via the electron microscope and the patterns of gel electrophoresis. In 
the case of electron microscope images there is every reason to assume 
(it appears consistent to assume) that the objects shown can be taken to 
be analogous to the macroscopic objects of our perception. This means 
that one has the possibility of observing ``directly" that DNA molecules 
can be knotted. I do not say that one can observe directly the coiling 
of the Watson and the Crick strands, but the DNA can be observed as 
though it were a long rope. This rope can be seen to be coiled and 
knotted in electron micrographs. Even this ``showing'' requires a 
difficult technique beyond the usual techniques of the electron 
microscope. The DNA was coated with protein by the experimenters so that 
it became a chain of larger and more robust diameter. Then the electron 
microscope revealed the patterns of knotting in an apparent projection 
of the coated DNA from three dimensional space to the two dimensional 
space of the image.

It is remarkable how consistent is the hypothesis of indirect perception 
on which the work is based. Most working biologists would not question 
the basis of their biological perceptions direct or indirect. For those 
who are philosophically inclined there is a lesson to be learned about 
experimental phenomenology.
One wants to know how far a world-view can be extended before it 
disintegrates.
What we see in the electron micrograph is deeply shaped by the complex 
story of biological experiment that surrounds it.
Along with these forays into experimentation, there are analogous forays 
into the limits of logic. Here we meet the replication schema again. 
Replication in logic is intimately related to self-reference and to 
formalisms that can lead to paradox. The reasons for this are, by now, 
apparent. The usual mathematical formalisms for set theory assume that 
there is no temporal evolution in the structures.
Temporality may look like a tragedy for the classical mathematics, but 
it is exactly what interests us when studying biology.
Mathematical biology is concerned with those structures leading to 
recursive generation of structures from themselves and from their 
environments.
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Very best,
Louis H Kauffman
Dept Mathematics
University of Illinois at Chicago



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