[Fis] AQI's and Reality of possibilities in superposition in quantum computing

Wed Jan 1 17:12:24 CET 2025

Dear All,

Happy New Year and let it be a peaceful year!

But intellectual peace can lead to boredom, so let's get into some 
conflicts of ideas.

Joseph, you or Leibniiz are getting at a fundamental problem in how 
quantum computation on set of possible states which if they were real of 
miminal Planck size would take up more space than is available in the 
Universe. So they cannot be real in the sense of taking up space. If not 
spatially real can they be temporally real? Or will it take more time 
than the age of the universe to operate on those possibilities? If so 
then they are not temporally real.

Thomas and Karl:  In terms of meaning in the real world of humans and 
animals meaning seem to be relative to the subject-agent when messages 
act on and transform the representational state of the 
agent-receiver-subject be it his or her information state, intentional 
state or evaluate-emotional state.

In effect, one might call these levels of ontology where information is 
relative to the level of ontology of the observer-agent. The information 
at one level of ontology can be independent of  the information at a 
lower or higher level of ontology. In other words, reductionism does not 
seem to hold for ontological levels. The composition of a thing is 
somewhat if not totally independent of its form.

So to the process of arithmetic can be different from the result.

Best,

Eric

On 1/1/25 4:13 PM, joe.brenner at bluewin.ch wrote:
> Dear Thomas and All,
> Happy New Year!
> I apologize to Pedro and Krassimir for coming back to the Jason/Thomas 
> dialogue but I believe the following point is a critical one:
> Thomas wrote:
> These quantum structures with a two-dimensional Hilbert space are to 
> be thought of as absolute and completely abstract, not as properties
> of a material or energetic structure. I call them AQIs. The AQIs form 
> matter, energy, as well as the properties of matter and energy.
> It it seems to me this position runs into a Leibniz "bind": if AQI's 
> are completely abstract, how can they form anything, let alone 
> matter/energy with which they do not share properties? To the extent 
> that quanta are quanta of energy, is it then correct to call them 
> AQI's?  In your response to Jason, you make it clear that this is not 
> the case. The AQI's are units of action, but my comment still holds.
> The only solution I see is to adopt a principle that All have never 
> explicitly accepted, namely that, AQI's are and are not abstract; they 
> exist and do not exist at the same time. Understood in this way, they 
> could form a basis for reality and its non-Boolean logic, now with 
> apologies to Louis.
> Thank you anyway,
> Joseph
>> Dear Dr. Goernitz,
>> Can AQI exist independently from its context - or some larger 
>> structure (matter or energy)? By "exist," I mean stability with a 
>> relevant longer time.
>> By "longer time," I mean in the range of human perception, even with 
>> the help of cognitive instruments. Just curious.
>> Best regards - Jason
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 30, 2024 at 2:00 AM Prof. Dr. Thomas Görnitz 
>> <goernitz at em.uni-frankfurt.de> wrote:
>>
>>     Dear All,
>>     I would like to start by wishing everyone a healthy, successful and
>>     hopefully more peaceful new year.
>>
>>     Now a few comments from me on the current contributions, regarding
>>     information and meaning.
>>
>>     Natural science seeks rules and laws for the processes in nature.
>>     However, due to the expansion of the cosmos, there are never two
>>     completely identical situations. For an individual case, however,
>>     the
>>     idea of a rule is meaningless.
>>
>>     Rules require similarity, laws require – not only in
>>     jurisprudence – equality.
>>
>>     Similarity and equality arise from sweeping what appears to be
>>     insignificant in the situations under consideration under the
>>     carpet.
>>     Changes to inanimate matter require the expenditure of energy, but
>>     living things can also be influenced by meaningful information.
>>
>>     Scientific explanation starts from simple structures to explain
>>     complicated structures.
>>     Chemistry explains the biochemical basis of life. Quantum mechanics
>>     provides the theoretical basis for chemistry.
>>
>>     The simplest quantum structures that are mathematically possible
>>     have
>>     only a two-dimensional state space. It therefore makes sense to call
>>     them quantum bits.
>>     The particles of quantum mechanics and, with that, the quantum field
>>     theories can be constructed from these structures.
>>     This means that matter can be understood as a special form of such
>>     quantum bits.
>>
>>     It has been known for some time that quantum theory relativizes
>>     distinctions that are important for everyday life. E=mc^2 shows the
>>     equivalence of matter with motion, i.e. with one of its properties.
>>     The distinction between force and matter is reduced to the
>>     distinction
>>     between fermions and bosons, which can be converted into one another
>>     under certain conditions.
>>
>>     These quantum structures with a two-dimensional Hilbert space are to
>>     be thought of as absolute and completely abstract, not as properties
>>     of a material or energetic structure. I call them AQIs.
>>
>>     The AQIs form matter, energy, as well as the properties of matter
>>     and energy.
>>
>>     Life only emerged relatively late in the development of the cosmos,
>>     and only for living things can something become meaningful.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>     Quoting Karl Javorszky <karl.javorszky at gmail.com>:
>>
>>     > Again, one wonders.
>>     >
>>     > Marcus writes:
>>     >  you also invoke ‘meaning’ which is notoriously difficult to
>>     define – where
>>     > do you clearly define meaning?
>>     >
>>     >  There is a perfectly valid definition of meaning available for
>>     all who
>>     > have access to the FIS list.
>>     >
>>     > The last time this définition was shared with the Learned
>>     Friends was 21
>>     > days ago, 9th December 2024, in a letter to Xueshan.
>>     >
>>     > *Information has been defined (eg Liaisons Among Symbols) as
>>     the totality
>>     > of ∆ (n?, n!).*
>>     >
>>     > *Meaning has been defined (op. cit.) as the relation of a
>>     context to at
>>     > least one of the Central Elements.*
>>
>>
>>
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>>
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