[Fis] cognitive limitations

Thu Apr 3 09:00:41 CEST 2025

Hi Howard

And not even an April Fool prank! Apart from also being interested in how you create a personalized version of ChatGPT, I have a few other questions.

I've also dug fairly deep into ChatGPT and am flabbergasted at the way it has blasted the Turing Test out of the water (its main failing being that it is far too knowledgeable to be an actual human). It is clear that something has emerged that transcends its basic mechanisms as a token sequence probability machine.

One thing has stuck me though. The sign of true intelligence is critical evaluation: the ability to disagree and explain why. ChatGPT is remarkably good at following a line of reasoning, and even running ahead in following it through. It can also be seductively flattering. But I've had trouble in getting it to do what is essential in the scientific process: telling me why I am wrong. I was wondering whether you have managed that?

Following this through I have a question about BloomGPT as your doppelganger: has it ever given answers that you would disagree with?
Or has it been sufficiently in-doctrine-ated to always operate within and out of your mind set?

In other words: is it a clone, a disciple or a colleague?

Daniel
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From: Fis <fis-bounces at listas.unizar.es> on behalf of Eric Werner <eric.werner at oarf.org>
Sent: 01 April 2025 11:46
To: Howard Bloom <howlbloom at aol.com>
Cc: Pedro C. Marijuán <pedroc.marijuan at gmail.com>; fis <fis at listas.unizar.es>
Subject: Re: [Fis] cognitive limitations

Howard, actually quite brilliant. It would be good for all scientists to have this . Can you inform us how you did it? I mean the GPT chat
bot . And what’s the cost of hosting?
Eric

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On Mar 30, 2025, at 12:28, OARF <eric.werner at oarf.org> wrote:

I have to give you that, Howard. You really know how to promote yourself! Amazing, already have your own ChatBot.
I interacted with it (the one where you don’t have to sign in) and it is very argumentative and seems to reflect you very well.  Unfortunately it did not let me save the chat.
-Eric

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On Mar 30, 2025, at 3:56 AM, Howard Bloom <howlbloom at aol.com> wrote:

re interesting ai, here's an early version of an ai doppleganger of me.

ask it a question.  it comes up with some remarkable phrases and some remarkable ideas.

ChatGPT - Howard Bloom GPT<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://chatgpt.com/g/g-67c5d93357288191875e624ac70e5a9a-howard-bloom-gpt__;!!D9dNQwwGXtA!XyLhkd4__FEG7U8QOvLTXVcX-hBFeTqSHwMBXiMpDuTzvJIZlqtZj7SKDZle6qCa0tQKF03imxNDXQGJhw$>

<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://chatgpt.com/g/g-67c5d93357288191875e624ac70e5a9a-howard-bloom-gpt__;!!D9dNQwwGXtA!XyLhkd4__FEG7U8QOvLTXVcX-hBFeTqSHwMBXiMpDuTzvJIZlqtZj7SKDZle6qCa0tQKF03imxNDXQGJhw$>
ChatGPT - Howard Bloom GPT

Lite Version of a Howard Bloomesque GPT for Omnological Reasoning

and

ChatGPT - The Omnologist Lab<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://chatgpt.com/g/g-67e49acf64988191b0c63c7f91bdbacf-the-omnologist-lab__;!!D9dNQwwGXtA!XyLhkd4__FEG7U8QOvLTXVcX-hBFeTqSHwMBXiMpDuTzvJIZlqtZj7SKDZle6qCa0tQKF03imxMIEXpIXw$>

<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://chatgpt.com/g/g-67e49acf64988191b0c63c7f91bdbacf-the-omnologist-lab__;!!D9dNQwwGXtA!XyLhkd4__FEG7U8QOvLTXVcX-hBFeTqSHwMBXiMpDuTzvJIZlqtZj7SKDZle6qCa0tQKF03imxMIEXpIXw$>
ChatGPT - The Omnologist Lab

Thought-training partner inspired by Howard Bloom

with warmth and oomph--howard

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On Saturday, March 29, 2025 at 09:33:45 AM EDT, Pedro C. Marijuán <pedroc.marijuan at gmail.com> wrote:

Thanks, Lou, for your 'armchair' experiment. My initial reading in the
screen, was of open mouth and incredulity (and some mistrust realizing
that every response starts by a kind and flattering consideration on the
question itself). After printing and re-reading, I do not know what to
say. It is like talking with a faked superhuman creature. Chilling. So
many questions one could ask on these machine responses... Trying to be
practical:

1. Could we organize the discussion on the various fundamental AI
aspects? My suggestion is that anyone willing to address one of those
aspects, send me a working title and two or three commenting lines (no
more). If so, I would order the received proposals and we could devote
2-3 weeks to any of them, involving our usual mixing and 'tangents'.

2. About directly involving AI in these debates, it may be problematic,
but probably doable by some dedicated work of our 'expert' colleagues,
such as Lou has done. There is an inconvenient regarding the longish
texts that are easily created by AI. This necessarily kills our
attention span. And may create trouble with our list server (see that
just in case I have deleted the body of Lou's message).

3. The problem of meaning and syntax, and creativity by the machine,
with the 5 points provided by the machine itself on possible avenues...
are so amazing. Would it be possible for the machine to detect its own
creativity and the impacts it may generate in the conceptual world and
even more in the practical world where human action and human life reside?

Are we in the verge of a brave "New History"?

Best--Pedro

 El 28/03/2025 a las 8:18, Louis Kauffman escribió:
> I took up the AI discussion with ChatGPT.
> Here is the record of that conversation.
> Best,
> Lou Kauffman
>

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