[Fis] Fis Digest, Vol 116, Issue 32
Katherine Peil
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Thu Nov 28 18:42:20 CET 2024
Hi Eric! Too much to say on the Thanksgiving morning than time allows, but that ChatGPT was a pretty good summary of the surface points. My enthusiasm flows from how this dovetails with my Tao Story. Perhaps if you could find those posts and ask how “these additions influence overall interpretations”? Otherwise, I have begun a stream of thought piece that does just that.
Happy Gratitude Day! I am grateful to be in this forum with you all. Special shout-out to Pedro – I hope you and yours are healthy and thriving.
Hugs all around,
Kate K
On 11/28/24, 2:19 AM, "Fis" <fis-bounces at listas.unizar.es> wrote: Katherine Peil Kauffman
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1. Re: Emotional sentience, Hemispheric Lateralization and
Quantum Physics ~ oh my! (Eric Werner)
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Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2024 10:18:20 +0100
From: Eric Werner <eric.werner at oarf.org>
To: fis at listas.unizar.es
Subject: Re: [Fis] Emotional sentience, Hemispheric Lateralization and
Quantum Physics ~ oh my!
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Dear Karl and Kate,
Trying to understand what you and Kate are saying: Here is chatGPT's sum
up of your article "Liaisons Among Symbols"
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From your and Kate's perspective is this sum up accurate?
Intuitively, it seems to me that while cycles are obviously necessary in
the construction and function of mental and physical structures,
nevertheless,? the content of a message is often in the non-cyclic
non-redundant part of the signal-representation-data-information.
-Eric
On 11/25/24 10:53 AM, Karl Javorszky wrote:
>
> Dear Kate,
>
> thank you for reading the text of my lamentations about the
> inflexibility of the vocabulary (lexicon) to describe the proceedings
> one observes in biology. It will be a day of deep satisfaction for
> both of us, the day when you start giving feedback that you have
> understood the subject of the lamentations, and the sales pitch that
> comes after the lamentation.
>
> My text goes:
>
> ?look at poor me, I cannot construct, by the words that I have learnt
> using that grammar what I have learnt, a picture to describe that what
> I see!?
>
> The important sales drive comes after that:
>
> ?look here, (at proud me), this is what I have found. These here are
> 46.260 interconnectors among realizations of amount, time, distance,
> predictability, cohesion, conservativism, opportunism, importance and
> irrelevance.?. Here the salesman points to the heap of cycles that are
> a protocol of every possible amount coming to every possible place ?
> as long as the system is ordered. Rotating ( ~ colloquial expression
> for subjecting the etalon collection to 72 * 71 resorts, pretending
> that these are all but maybe a few of the possible reorderings of the
> arguments of /?a+ b = c, /below the Eddington maximum) the logical
> expression /a+b=c /brings forth matches between what is where and when
> and how predictably.
>
> The customer will not be hooked by the hope that he may learn to use a
> gadget that predicts when is where what how certainly, because gadgets
> are nothing but gadgets and there are already too many of those.
> (Unless the customer is interested in the mechanics of the ultimate
> Rubik?s cube marrying the Mother of All Sudokus and begetting a
> geometro-synchro-algometro gadget, for the pleasure of having a nice
> Tinguely machine, constructed of natural numbers, next to his alarm
> clock.)
>
> The customer needs an argument to see that he indeed does need the
> gadget. One enters a sales seductive pitch, saying: ?Say, don?t you
> check all the day whether what you produce is fit for consumption by
> comparing it to some descendants from the Tree of Natural Numbers??
> Customer works in Science, so what he does all day is to check whether
> his calculations of the day pass through the general grammar control
> of being self-referentially true. Whatever parts of whichever applied
> technique the customer wants to check for feasibility, he will compute
> the idea. If the computations behind his ideas yield that it is
> possible that the ideas are related in such a fashion, then the
> customer is allowed to set an OK check, that he has worked correctly.
> At the end of the day, be these bridges built, machines assembled,
> meals cooked, wounds healed, there will be a cross-referencing of key
> descriptors that comes to a result, which result is the basis for that
> evening?s feeling well in respect of having done the day?s work. We do
> a cross-referencing as humans as we ascertain ourselves of the
> correctness of our work. In the case of STEM work, and the customer is
> on the STEM side, the cross-referencing will most probably also have a
> form that has a numeric expression. The sales pitch underlines that
> the plausibility result of a piece of accounting done is that the two
> sides match, irrespective of the business.
>
> If you have not lost the customer at this point, you will be able to
> present him the unique sales proposal. (There is so far nothing to
> alienate the customer. He is a STEM mensh and he adds up his plans and
> checks if, whether and how far his plans agree to the numbers that are
> sure to be kosher.)
>
> Here you might risk a fraternization by striking a personal note. Find
> common memories of student days and say, why, would you not have
> wished to have a catalog of correct answers for all the tests? If he
> nods, you almost got the sale.
>
> Repeat slowly with him that he checks the reality (reasonableness,
> grammatical correctness, truth, etc.) of any mental product he
> produces by referring to children, grandchildren, further descendants
> of the root of all truths, /a+b=c. /That statement is at the root of
> the Tree of Natural Numbers.
>
> Now you offer him a gadget which delivers all the correct answers to
> all questions he can ever pose in the context of a whole that is made
> up of diverse parts, that can be differently similar and diverse among
> each other and count differently many. (Mention the Eddington limit
> and that we can only regard systems that are ordered. Biology is
> ordered to the maximum extent possible, and trees do not grow to the
> sky, so the requirement of a closed collection is also maintained.)
>
> You give the customer a Fortune?s sack full of relations that are much
> better than the quantum concept he uses today. Our basic units are not
> man-made but are a gift of Nature. Anything that is assembled is
> included in the possibilities of fitting /j/ pieces of the Cycles
> Library together.
>
> As an additional extra bonus, the customer can have the numeric values
> of the relations of any two of the basic pieces (of which there are in
> our version 46.260) delivered together with the logical values of
> which variant of the general change are these connection values the
> most valid/acute. The customer does not have to invent ? based on
> observations ? new or improved interconnectors between his concepts,
> because the natural numbers have given us the keys for the
> interconnections that can be realized, actually, numerically be the
> case in physical reality. The keys are in the fine print of the user?s
> manual about how to use natural numbers. One creates all cycles by
> rotating the assembly and then for each reorder redistributes the
> right side of /a+b=c /among the participants symbolized by /a, b/, by
> building pairs of /a, b /and crediting the cycle with that part of /c
> /that was moved by the cycle. Within cycles, one breaks down the
> amount the cycle has been credited with, to each individual member of
> the cycle, as an average value (one may want to redistribute based on
> headcount of members or on distance run by the cycle). This is a
> measurement unit that connects amounts, their differences and
> similarities, distances and discrete units (member head count). Not
> only is this unit more versatile than the current quantum concept, but
> it is made by Nature and not by honorable humans Helmholtz and Planck.
>
> The extra bonus are the /liaison values /that connect parts that
> belong together. By the technique outlined above, one arrives at
> values of the assembly that are in sum /2(a+b). /The addition happens
> at an inner level that is not strikingly obvious at first.
>
> To make the semantic (romantic) relations obvious that bring several
> members of an assembly into lien type bondage relations, the customer
> has only to take 12 of his books and reorder them on his table from
> author-title into title-author and retour. The insight is located
> exactly near the /pons /between and below the two hemispheres. The
> fundamentals of the insight deal with brain regions that the customer
> has not trained in a formal educative context since early childhood.
> As Kate charmingly writes, it is pleasurable for her to see me engaged
> in my deep hobby of sorting and ordering. It is encouraging for me
> that Kate registers what the song and dance at this festival is about.
> It is with a mixed pleasure that I see a group in which someone who
> raves about sorting counts as a charming outsider. This is progress
> insofar as the group does not decide that sorting is blasphemous. The
> group understands that sorting is something that can be done, and is
> obviously done, by at least one, but to what end and why and who
> benefits of this, is in the eyes of the group as of yet not really clear.
>
> Well, we are in a group that deals with information theory as applied
> to biology. Of the two fields where this can be studied in an abstract
> form, memory and genetic, we traditionally deal with genetic, as the
> labor people give us facts, while the memory people give only
> hypotheses. So, it is genetic. The DNA is a sequence. If one wants to
> understand sequences one cannot avoid sorting and ordering.
>
> The real question is how on Earth in a group that tries to understand
> information theory as applied in biology, someone who cries
> /sequences! /where others cry /wolf!/ can be an outlier. Everyone
> should be speaking about sequences and sorting in the present
> excellent assembly of Learned Friends.
>
> To cut it short:
>
> The 46.260 elementary interconnectors are that collection which people
> refer to as they use the word ?quantum?.
>
> To give an example: There are some among the 46.260 that are extremely
> useful. It is a numeric pattern in reorder*17-(a+b), a+b**? 3b-2a,
> 3a-2b *that will serve as a /metronome/ cycle, being 129 members long,
> together with its inside-outside half-twin *a+b, 17-(a+b)**? 3b-2a,
> 3a-2b *that will serve as the /folding /cycle, being 128 members long.
> The labor people need to do less experiments if we tell them that this
> is what they should look for.
>
> The invention is to assemble a parallel to the perspective we
> traditionally use to look at the world. The duality is everywhere. We
> shall deal with the translation between how many, how diverse, how
> similar (the Mariju?n constants) later. Presently, we discuss a much
> simpler realization of the basic duality, namely that what we count in
> units of distance (each of the units is equal) vs. what we call
> amount, here at first used as an identifying symbol, giving the
> element its place among its peers. To the distance facts (in uniform
> units) come the logical flags (of which reorder the interconnector is
> by natural descendance a part of), and now, as an extra bonus the
> material summands (the lien values that connect two members). And, as
> an ultra extra bonus, the members of the interconnectors are
> sequentially numbered among each other, allowing manifold offset
> variants of the same interconnectors being at work.
>
> As we sort, we assign place attributes to elements. Among the place
> attributes are also logical attributes and material values. We know
> that the cookbook is among the first in author-title but among the
> last in title-author. This variant (author / title) of order connects
> several of the books into distinct, individual cycles. If we had
> year-of-publication and no-of-pages as order descriptors too, the
> cookbook could have come to wildly different places. There are
> variants of logical order descriptors and each of them imposes its own
> pairs of amount / place expectations. (All that within a closed,
> ordered assembly, like biology.)
>
> To close, a sales point that may interest the customer: tell him he
> can be famous. Tell the customer that the *logical archetypes *are not
> catalogized yet. It is like fishing in a bathtub. He will be able to
> describe a chemical element by naming the specific of the
> clusters/bundles of cycles that are unavoidably created by the very
> fact of rotating /2(a+b). /Sort, order and filter the 46.260. Find
> those that can and that can not coexist. Build types. The archetypes
> are those patterns that appear and remain bumped together as the
> assembly is undergoing perpetual changes. There can be no more than
> 129 of such. Filter out the most resilient.
>
> PS: Zaragoza server discourages pictures in these letters. To see how
> two different cycles are used to define One Unit of Information,
> please see the illustration in
>
> (PDF) Liaisons Among Symbols
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>
> Thanks again for your interest.
>
> Karl
>
>
> Am Fr., 22. Nov. 2024 um 19:28?Uhr schrieb Katherine Peil
> <ktpeil at outlook.com>:
>
> Hi Eric, Karl, et al,
>
> Eric, I?ve always admired your work, and share your interest in
> state information as a bridge to social communication and
> cooperation theory. I will reiterate that it is the /emotional
> state/ ?- its embodied source, its underlying electrochemical
> signaling processes, its self-regulatory thermodynamics and
> functional enmeshment with genetic, epigenetic and immune
> regulation - that will build the strongest theoretical bridge to
> the social dynamics. This will also help launder some of the
> higher social theories of the lingering vestiges of Cartesian
> dualism and Western religious dogma and provide a much stronger
> grounding in biology and physics. I look forward to seeing your
> next offering, so be sure to send it to me directly if I?m not to
> be found here.
>
> Karl, as always it?s a pleasure to venture into your land of
> numbers and sorting! It is indeed a uniquely inspiring realm in
> which to dwell, although I?m still a bit unclear about the meaning
> of the cycles in your model. To my mind, cycles connote time,
> oscillation, frequency and iterative maths ? qualities that give
> rise to information in the subjective sense, perceptions of time
> at the very least. I?d love it if you could offer a simple
> clarification between the process of the cycles and the
> application of information as you define it. Also, when I try to
> incorporate your thinking into my own model, it clearly falls in
> the inner or quantum domain I called Domain 0. So I cannot help
> but chuckle upon hearing your confession about the quantum. There
> are plenty of intriguing works in quantum biology:
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>
> But Karl, I?d also like to address your lament about
> miscommunication between both halves of the brain. I?d like to
> point you toward the work of Ian McGilchrest (The Master and his
> Emissary; The Matter with Things), who is perhaps the reigning
> expert in hemispheric lateralization. From his framework I would
> suggest that your arguments about number, ordering, language and
> ?no quantum? all spring from a left-hemispheric mode of
> information processing (linear, linguistic, particular, external
> control oriented ? the Emissary), and are rather lacking in the
> right (nonlinear, intuitive, global, and emotional ? the Master).
> He suggests that path of Western science exhibits that same
> imbalance. I run into this a lot with my husband Stuart, but it
> never diminished the admiration or affection I feel for either of you.
>
> With warmest wishes,
>
> Kate Kauffman
>
>
>
> On 11/22/24, 6:07 AM, "Fis" <fis-bounces at listas.unizar.es> wrote:
> Katherine Peil Kauffman
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> Quantum 2024 11 22
>
> Dear Thomas,
>
>
>
> Thank you for bringing up the subject of "quantum" as an idea and
> procedure. Please allow me to comment from the viewpoint of a
> psychologist
> (biologist) on the concept. First, let me show limits of
> practicability of
> the idea. Then, we return to Wittgenstein and establish how the
> meaning of
> a word is arrived at and how the logical truth is understood to
> mean the
> congruence of a mental pattern (devised by us) with a numeric
> pattern (as
> the gauge on which to measure whether we had reasoned correctly). The
> constructive part of this essay proposes using numeric patterns as
> blueprints of mental patterns, even if we may as of today not have
> produced
> that mental pattern which fits smugly with a practical numeric
> pattern.
>
>
>
> *1. Inapplicability of the concept quantum for solving my problem*
>
> The problem FIS deals with centers around the concept
> "information". In
> terms of background, some of the Learned Friends have been raised
> in the
> context of biology while other Learned Friends had a stem
> education. If I
> understand you right, quantum is an invention by the stem people,
> and you
> propose to use the concept to come nearer to a satisfying general
> picture
> of how Nature manages relationships among parts of wholes.
>
> The idea that biologists should familiarize themselves with and
> use the
> concept of quanta so that both sides of the old trivial-quadrivial
> conflict
> possess a common intellectual unit, this suggestion is comparable
> to the
> idea that biologists suggest to stem people to use the concept of the
> mirror relation of lust and hangover because that perspective is
> really
> useful in understanding the behavior of animals.
>
> This is not to say that quantum as a concept would be wrong or
> false. It is
> simply not applicable in biology. Not because of its peculiarities but
> because of the generality of its generation.
>
>
>
> Let me state the problem as biologists see it: we see that an
> animal lives.
> We have no stem words to describe what we mean by the word
> "lives". So, we
> have a state of the world that a picture that exists in my head
> can't be
> described by me, because the mechanics of life have not yet been
> explicated
> to me, so I can't build sentences to communicate about a clear and
> explicit
> content of my head.
>
>
>
> Both the pictures of the living animal, and of the lexicon are in
> my head.
> I have an inner conflict, because one part of my head has no words to
> describe what a different part of my head perceives. (It was
> hypothesized
> that natives were helpless vis a vis the conquistadores, because
> in the
> lexicon of the natives such a structure that swims on water and of
> which
> people emerge, was not existing, so thinking broke down, confronted by
> something that was impossible to exist.)
>
>
>
> Quantum is understood to be a property of the things that are
> outside of my
> head. Now we come to the conflict. Experience shows that it is in
> the best
> case a symptomatic improvement if a person who is laboring with inner
> conflicts, is offered a reinforcement that deals with the outside
> world.
>
> It doesn't help me at all, with my problem of not finding the
> correct words
> to describe biology, if more and more detailed yellow stickers are
> picked
> onto diverse parts of the whole, of which the interaction of the
> parts I
> have a problem with. In the elephant example, it is of no use to amass
> measurements of trunk, feet, belly and ears, if I fail to build a
> general
> picture of how these parts fit together.
>
> This is the reason why this person is very reticent to embrace the
> idea of
> quantum. From the outside, it is not clear whether quantum is
> today's stone
> of wisdom, Phlogiston, ether, Wotan's odem or highly refined snake
> oil. The
> concept of quantum asserts to depict relations among objects that are
> outside of my head.
>
>
>
> What I need is an explanation that relates to the inability of one
> part of
> my head to describe intelligently that what a different part of my
> head
> sees clearly. I have no problem with how things interact outside.
> I have a
> problem with understanding myself, how come that I find no words for
> something that I see to exist. I will overcome the limitations of my
> vocabulary, not that of my faculties of observation. If I don?t
> understand
> the general principle of the contraption, getting into more details is
> usually only of limited value. We need to investigate how words
> are checked
> for meaning something in a grammatically true fashion.
>
>
>
> *2. How we check that our words refer to that concept which we
> intend to
> refer to*
>
> Wittgenstein would have been an adept of Shannon and his hardcore
> followers, had he lived after Shannon. The idea of information
> processing
> being *au fond* an identification of an element of *N* is included in
> Wittgenstein?s reasoning about the correct grammar of using
> well-defined
> words in a sentence that is interpersonally understandable.
>
> Wittgenstein?s steps of reasoning go:
>
> Word ? remove connotations ? arrive at denotation ? establish
> relations of
> denotation of word to other denotations of words ? check if
> relations among
> words agree to relations among other words that are definitely
> true (in
> practice, use numbers as sources of correct relations) ? if the
> relations
> among the words are in agreement with the relations that are known
> to be
> true, the sentence is grammatically correct.
>
> If we simplify our concepts into bundles/clusters of numeric
> relations (1)
> and compare this pattern of relations to patterns of relations we
> find or
> create by counting, then in case the comparison yields positive,
> the mental
> concept is reasonable. (If it calculates, it may be something
> useful. If
> the numbers do not add up, forget it, that won?t work in no case
> anyway.)
> (1) My transaction today at the supermarket paying for groceries
> by card is
> a bundle/cluster of numeric relations. This is one word of the
> sentence
> describing me, the supermarket, the groceries and the bank. The
> words of
> the sentence fit together, obeying a numeric pattern: the sentence is
> grammatically correct. Every word of this sentence answers to the
> requirements for that word and means exactly that what it is
> expected to
> mean. (In this sense, the sentence contains no information, as
> nothing is
> otherwise than expected.)
>
>
>
> *3. Proposal: Turn the procedure on its head*
>
> We check whether our ideas have merit by confronting them with the
> truths
> the natural numbers contain in themselves. The natural numbers are the
> roots and the stem of the system of true relations. From the
> simple come
> the composite who begot the differences who begot the similarities
> and the
> probabilities and the combinations and the certitude. Of that
> apple, which
> later fell down, to Newton?s great delight, of certitude we homo
> sapiens
> have created logic and numbers and relations.
>
> Why don?t we just dig out the tree of relations, turn it over and
> give it a
> good shakeup? The canopy of the tree of natural numbers is a
> habitat for
> many numeric patterns. If we need a common, very versatile and small
> building block, why not take such that grow in that tree, with
> which we
> anyway compare all that we produce for checking whether it is
> grammatically
> correct?
>
> Wittgensteins direction: create coherent ideas. Check if the rules
> of the
> coherence agree to rules of coherence which we know to be true.
>
> Update 21st century: use the set of relation we know to be true
> and subject
> them to axiomatic ongoing changes. In this way, anything that can
> happen in
> an ordered world will appear in the produced patterns.
>
> (If I produce ideas, I can check whether the structure of my ideas
> agrees
> to structures that can be found among the structures that I have
> learnt to
> be true. Now we change direction, take the rule book and mix all
> the rules.
> We are interested in the resulting convolutum of rules. Which
> rules are
> sticky with which other rules?)
>
>
>
> *4. Are these quantum amounts?*
>
> Doing an exercise *en vogue* in FIS, ordering any 12 books from
> author-title into title-author and retour, one wonders what words
> are in
> use for the different kinds of impacts, voids, speeds and holes
> and one
> missing and one double of the romantic relations (called aforetimes
> ?cycles?) among books that share that they are *in transit
> together in one
> closed sequence.*
>
> One level further up, cycles running parallel have inevitably some
> predictable patterns of coincidences. That such-and-such are regularly
> together although they belong to different cycles is an *offset
> bondage*
> that is not covered by the definition of simple romantic
> relations. That
> the coincidence takes place is a predictor for many different,
> seemingly
> temporally, materially and spatially distant occurrences. The
> knowledge
> about *?? ? ??* taking place is equivalent with the expectations
> of how
> many cycles are running, how many places are empty and what size
> the bump
> each cycle carries on average. These are sets of *expectations
> *against
> which the *observations *deviate, yielding the extent of
> *information. *
>
>
>
> *To summarize:*
>
> One way is to think something up and look whether the numbers
> confirm it.
> The way proposed here, which technology of our age now permits, is to
> filter out the most obvious numeric patterns the system produces
> if we make
> it undergo perpetual changes. The bet is that the numeric patterns we
> harvest will need only to find each a good name for, because the
> idea as
> such is by definition sound.
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