[Fis] Fis Digest, Vol 116, Issue 27

[Karl Javorszky]

Well, Kate and Learned Friends,

The ice is broken, gentlemen of the jury. We have the first conversion of a
hesthen to the only actually true set of beliefs, the system of natural
numbers.

Comandante Zero and Disciple One plan now to overrun the intellectual
establishment.

The plan could not be any better, alas the realization will be somewhat
tedious. But the effort promises a lot.

With 8.000.000.000 humans, of whom we count 25% for socio-economic reasons,
and the guess by labor organizations that around 1 % of workers are in the
profession of mathematics, one should estimate the number of people with
teaching material needs, to get the new way of counting becoming
established, at about 20 million readers.

The educative device should make noise and business like Rawlings' boy
Harry Potter.

In fact, there are several levels of transmitting the message. You
suggested a you tube channel. Very nice and there is no way avoiding a well
pictured, graphically and didactically strong libretto.

My eldest granddaughter is presently making her Matura. She can draw well
but has no time nor a deep interest in co-drawing a comics about how the
Accadians were much cooler than the Sumerians. I already saw the beards.

Gimmie one or two good graphics artists and one or two programmers who can
draw 3D, and maybe a poet, and we shall deliver a libretto which can be
adapted for the highbrows and for the folk by the marketing people.

You would qualify certainly as a poet. The only difficulty is the Atlantic
Ocean. And the prices. If I had my druthers, we would set up shop eg in
Sofia. Nice place, daily direct flights, affordable rents and if good
people are available they cost a fraction of Brussels pay.

I'd be willing to throw in my own money say 50k €, but would wish to have
partners who know how to manage a startup.

As to keeping being a shy wilting parsley, that is also ok with me.
Historical changes happen at their own rhythm, but they happen. The next
generation will be familiar with the fundamental constants, even if for us
it is unnatural to think 32 and 97 to be equivalent in some important ways.

You carry now the flag, Kate. Say how you want to proceed.

Congratulations on having realized the sound of 3 hands clapping.

This could turn out to be the beginning of lots of work, but nice and
interesting work.

With compliments
Karl



Katherine Peil <ktpeil at outlook.com> schrieb am Di., 26. Nov. 2024, 20:58:

> Hi Karl,
>
> I too have hoped for the pleasing feedback that suggests you (or anyone)
> has understood my offerings – my own lamentations that emotional sentience
> is missing from most perspectives. But it does indeed take significant
> interest and investment to interpret and communicate across disciplines,
> which is why I remain hopeful that grounding my own offerings in direct
> human experience will bear fruit.
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> But I have long honored your generous and patient communications with
> respectful acts of due diligence to begin grokking your framework (reading
> your papers, conducting book re-sortings etc.)  And today, after reading
> your paper *Liaisons Among Symbols*, I must say “sold”!  I not only see
> many direct translations – and enhancements - to my Tao Story, but also key
> tendrils for colleagues that are also interested in quantum contextuality,
> basal intelligence, origins of information, agency, sentience and/or the
> role of harmonic resonance. I plan to share it widely and hope that is OK
> by you.
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> As for the feedback you await, I understand much better about emergent
> cycles and their role in part and whole relationships than I did by simply
> by doing the book sorting exercise without much context. (It might be
> helpful if you were to create a little You-tube video of you conducting and
> explaining the book sorting exercise for the Learned Friends, as an entre
> for this spectacular paper.) As for your thing-a-majig metaphor, I once
> trotted out the idea of an “I-Wiz” – a new fandangled piece of Apple
> technology that could offer optimal, personalized, in-the-moment behavioral
> guidance toward flourishing health, happiness and relational success.
> (Everything that nature has gifted us with the emotional system!) So
> whether this resonates with you or not, I see your invention as a unique
> and central missing component of the “machinery” and a step toward
> understanding the required “agent in the machine”, a framework that puts
> algorithmic computation and “information” into all the right
> self-regulatory context.
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> So the light is on in Kate’s room. I do confess to a bit of apophenia and
> may be guilty of over-reaching, but I see tremendous promise in how your
> work can help fill some conspicuous theoretical gaps. I hope to do it
> justice by building it into my Tao story, but I’m afraid it does relate to
> the quantum realm via creative transitions between micro and macro domains.
> Indeed, I just finished reading Federico Faggin’s *Irreducible, *wherein
> he postulates a common “language” (syntax) of symbols between quantum and
> classical domains, which I highly recommend. But – fair warning – he takes
> your assertion that “the mental construct does exist in nature” to its
> logical end and might be considered extreme, but his framework cleanly
> holds both of ours. Way too much more to say, but truly, thank you.
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> With gratitude and evermore admiration,
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> Kate Kauffman
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> On 11/25/24, 2:54 AM, "Fis" <fis-bounces at listas.unizar.es> wrote:
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> Dear Kate,
>
>
>
> thank you for reading the text of my lamentations about the inflexibility
> of the vocabulary (lexicon) to describe the proceedings one observes in
> biology. It will be a day of deep satisfaction for both of us, the day when
> you start giving feedback that you have understood the subject of the
> lamentations, and the sales pitch that comes after the lamentation.
>
> My text goes:
>
> ?look at poor me, I cannot construct, by the words that I have learnt using
> that grammar what I have learnt, a picture to describe that what I see!?
>
> The important sales drive comes after that:
>
> ?look here, (at proud me), this is what I have found. These here are 46.260
> interconnectors among realizations of amount, time, distance,
> predictability, cohesion, conservativism, opportunism, importance and
> irrelevance.?. Here the salesman points to the heap of cycles that are a
> protocol of every possible amount coming to every possible place ? as long
> as the system is ordered. Rotating ( ~ colloquial expression for subjecting
> the etalon collection to 72 * 71 resorts, pretending that these are all but
> maybe a few of the possible reorderings of the arguments of * a+ b = c,
> *below
> the Eddington maximum) the logical expression *a+b=c *brings forth matches
> between what is where and when and how predictably.
>
> The customer will not be hooked by the hope that he may learn to use a
> gadget that predicts when is where what how certainly, because gadgets are
> nothing but gadgets and there are already too many of those. (Unless the
> customer is interested in the mechanics of the ultimate Rubik?s cube
> marrying the Mother of All Sudokus and begetting a
> geometro-synchro-algometro gadget, for the pleasure of having a nice
> Tinguely machine, constructed of natural numbers, next to his alarm clock.)
>
> The customer needs an argument to see that he indeed does need the gadget.
> One enters a sales seductive pitch, saying: ?Say, don?t you check all the
> day whether what you produce is fit for consumption by comparing it to some
> descendants from the Tree of Natural Numbers?? Customer works in Science,
> so what he does all day is to check whether his calculations of the day
> pass through the general grammar control of being self-referentially true.
> Whatever parts of whichever applied technique the customer wants to check
> for feasibility, he will compute the idea. If the computations behind his
> ideas yield that it is possible that the ideas are related in such a
> fashion, then the customer is allowed to set an OK check, that he has
> worked correctly. At the end of the day, be these bridges built, machines
> assembled, meals cooked, wounds healed, there will be a cross-referencing
> of key descriptors that comes to a result, which result is the basis for
> that evening?s feeling well in respect of having done the day?s work. We do
> a cross-referencing as humans as we ascertain ourselves of the correctness
> of our work. In the case of STEM work, and the customer is on the STEM
> side, the cross-referencing will most probably also have a form that has a
> numeric expression. The sales pitch underlines that the plausibility result
> of a piece of accounting done is that the two sides match, irrespective of
> the business.
>
> If you have not lost the customer at this point, you will be able to
> present him the unique sales proposal. (There is so far nothing to alienate
> the customer. He is a STEM mensh and he adds up his plans and checks if,
> whether and how far his plans agree to the numbers that are sure to be
> kosher.)
>
> Here you might risk a fraternization by striking a personal note. Find
> common memories of student days and say, why, would you not have wished to
> have a catalog of correct answers for all the tests? If he nods, you almost
> got the sale.
>
> Repeat slowly with him that he checks the reality (reasonableness,
> grammatical correctness, truth, etc.) of any mental product he produces by
> referring to children, grandchildren, further descendants of the root of
> all truths, *a+b=c. *That statement is at the root of the Tree of Natural
> Numbers.
>
> Now you offer him a gadget which delivers all the correct answers to all
> questions he can ever pose in the context of a whole that is made up of
> diverse parts, that can be differently similar and diverse among each other
> and count differently many. (Mention the Eddington limit and that we can
> only regard systems that are ordered. Biology is ordered to the maximum
> extent possible, and trees do not grow to the sky, so the requirement of a
> closed collection is also maintained.)
>
> You give the customer a Fortune?s sack full of relations that are much
> better than the quantum concept he uses today. Our basic units are not
> man-made but are a gift of Nature. Anything that is assembled is included
> in the possibilities of fitting *j* pieces of the Cycles Library together.
>
> As an additional extra bonus, the customer can have the numeric values of
> the relations of any two of the basic pieces (of which there are in our
> version 46.260) delivered together with the logical values of which variant
> of the general change are these connection values the most valid/acute. The
> customer does not have to invent ? based on observations ? new or improved
> interconnectors between his concepts, because the natural numbers have
> given us the keys for the interconnections that can be realized, actually,
> numerically be the case in physical reality. The keys are in the fine print
> of the user?s manual about how to use natural numbers. One creates all
> cycles by rotating the assembly and then for each reorder redistributes the
> right side of *a+b=c *among the participants symbolized by *a, b*, by
> building pairs of *a, b *and crediting the cycle with that part of *c *that
> was moved by the cycle. Within cycles, one breaks down the amount the cycle
> has been credited with, to each individual member of the cycle, as an
> average value (one may want to redistribute based on headcount of members
> or on distance run by the cycle). This is a measurement unit that connects
> amounts, their differences and similarities, distances and discrete units
> (member head count). Not only is this unit more versatile than the current
> quantum concept, but it is made by Nature and not by honorable humans
> Helmholtz and Planck.
>
> The extra bonus are the *liaison values *that connect parts that belong
> together. By the technique outlined above, one arrives at values of the
> assembly that are in sum *2(a+b). *The addition happens at an inner level
> that is not strikingly obvious at first.
>
> To make the semantic (romantic) relations obvious that bring several
> members of an assembly into lien type bondage relations, the customer has
> only to take 12 of his books and reorder them on his table from
> author-title into title-author and retour. The insight is located exactly
> near the *pons *between and below the two hemispheres. The fundamentals of
> the insight deal with brain regions that the customer has not trained in a
> formal educative context since early childhood. As Kate charmingly writes,
> it is pleasurable for her to see me engaged in my deep hobby of sorting and
> ordering. It is encouraging for me that Kate registers what the song and
> dance at this festival is about. It is with a mixed pleasure that I see a
> group in which someone who raves about sorting counts as a charming
> outsider. This is progress insofar as the group does not decide that
> sorting is blasphemous. The group understands that sorting is something
> that can be done, and is obviously done, by at least one, but to what end
> and why and who benefits of this, is in the eyes of the group as of yet not
> really clear.
>
> Well, we are in a group that deals with information theory as applied to
> biology. Of the two fields where this can be studied in an abstract form,
> memory and genetic, we traditionally deal with genetic, as the labor people
> give us facts, while the memory people give only hypotheses. So, it is
> genetic. The DNA is a sequence. If one wants to understand sequences one
> cannot avoid sorting and ordering.
>
> The real question is how on Earth in a group that tries to understand
> information theory as applied in biology, someone who cries *sequences!
> *where
> others cry *wolf!* can be an outlier. Everyone should be speaking about
> sequences and sorting in the present excellent assembly of Learned Friends.
>
>
>
> To cut it short:
>
> The 46.260 elementary interconnectors are that collection which people
> refer to as they use the word ?quantum?.
>
> To give an example: There are some among the 46.260 that are extremely
> useful. It is a numeric pattern in reorder* 17-(a+b), a+b** ? 3b-2a,
> 3a-2b *that
> will serve as a *metronome* cycle, being 129 members long, together with
> its inside-outside half-twin *a+b, 17-(a+b)** ? 3b-2a, 3a-2b *that will
> serve as the *folding *cycle, being 128 members long. The labor people need
> to do less experiments if we tell them that this is what they should look
> for.
>
> The invention is to assemble a parallel to the perspective we traditionally
> use to look at the world. The duality is everywhere. We shall deal with the
> translation between how many, how diverse, how similar (the Mariju?n
> constants) later. Presently, we discuss a much simpler realization of the
> basic duality, namely that what we count in units of distance (each of the
> units is equal) vs. what we call amount, here at first used as an
> identifying symbol, giving the element its place among its peers. To the
> distance facts (in uniform units) come the logical flags (of which reorder
> the interconnector is by natural descendance a part of), and now, as an
> extra bonus the material summands (the lien values that connect two
> members). And, as an ultra extra bonus, the members of the interconnectors
> are sequentially numbered among each other, allowing manifold offset
> variants of the same interconnectors being at work.
>
> As we sort, we assign place attributes to elements. Among the place
> attributes are also logical attributes and material values. We know that
> the cookbook is among the first in author-title but among the last in
> title-author. This variant (author / title) of order connects several of
> the books into distinct, individual cycles. If we had year-of-publication
> and no-of-pages as order descriptors too, the cookbook could have come to
> wildly different places. There are variants of logical order descriptors
> and each of them imposes its own pairs of amount / place expectations. (All
> that within a closed, ordered assembly, like biology.)
>
>
>
> To close, a sales point that may interest the customer: tell him he can be
> famous. Tell the customer that the *logical archetypes *are not catalogized
> yet. It is like fishing in a bathtub. He will be able to describe a
> chemical element by naming the specific of the clusters/bundles of cycles
> that are unavoidably created by the very fact of rotating *2(a+b). *Sort,
> order and filter the 46.260. Find those that can and that can not coexist.
> Build types. The archetypes are those patterns that appear and remain
> bumped together as the assembly is undergoing perpetual changes. There can
> be no more than 129 of such. Filter out the most resilient.
>
> PS: Zaragoza server discourages pictures in these letters. To see how two
> different cycles are used to define One Unit of Information, please see the
> illustration in
>
> (PDF) Liaisons Among Symbols
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> Thanks again for your interest.
>
> Karl
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