[Fis] Fis Digest, Vol 116, Issue 8 Emotions are not binary

[Prof. Dr. Thomas Görnitz]

Dear Everyone,
as Eric wrote:
“Emotions are involved in the construction of what is perceived and  
thought to be possible.”

 From my point of view, this shows how important the “physics of  
possibilities”, namely quantum theory, is for an understanding of  
mental processes in general.

The quantization of a bit means that all intermediate stages are  
possible between the two possible measurement results “yes” and “no” (  
two-dimensional Hilbert space).

The abundance of possibilities that arise is the precise essence of  
the coupling of psyche and body in the case of emotions.
(Possible literature on this, unfortunately so far only in German:
Thomas Görnitz, Brigitte Görnitz (2016) Von der Quantenphysik zum  
Bewusstsein/Kosmos, Geist und Materie, Heidelberg, Springer,
https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.springer.com/de/book/9783662490815__;!!D9dNQwwGXtA!XUku6GUw-2Jt5xqaYi_xpi9JIZIwOqI_n703EIPUtlG0h_CjOKVUDj1dZFzqp3h9yTbhTo-oNjOy1L6K-fMDm4rjc-jzeA$ 
Thomas Görnitz: Quantentheorie verstehen/Grundlegende Vorstellungen  
und Begriffe, (2. Ed. 2024) Hanser, München,
https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.hanser-fachbuch.de/fachbuch/artikel/9783446480261__;!!D9dNQwwGXtA!XUku6GUw-2Jt5xqaYi_xpi9JIZIwOqI_n703EIPUtlG0h_CjOKVUDj1dZFzqp3h9yTbhTo-oNjOy1L6K-fMDm4p-y_CLog$ )

In contrast to the AI that currently exists, the self-stabilizing  
information processing in all living organisms is not electronic, but  
chemical. “Chemical” primarily means “purely quantum physical”.

The chemical basis means that the processing of any property that can  
be interpreted by a living organism as meaningful information is  
always associated with a change in its material structure: every  
thought changes the brain.

Best wishes
Thomas


Quoting Eric Werner <eric.werner at oarf.org>:

> Dear Kate,
>
> A bit late, but some brief reactions.
>
> Most emotions don't seem to be binary. They drive us and influence  
> our perception, thought, intentions and execution of our strategies.  
> They even cover what we think is our capacity to act in world.  
> Emotions are much more than run or attack.  There are so many subtle  
> mixtures of love and hate, of liking and not liking, of trepidation  
> and courage.
>
> Emotions are involved in the construction of what is perceived and  
> thought to be possible.
>
> -Eric
>
> On 11/7/24 11:02 PM, Katherine Peil wrote:
>>
>> Hi Peter,
>>
>> I’ve only been able to pop in occasionally, but I find your  
>> thoughts on feedback to be highly relevant to many of the big open  
>> questions. Not only “information” but agency, cognition, creativity  
>> and the structure of “identity” itself (something that our best  
>> hard science theory does not address.)
>>
>>
>> At the beginning of the year, I led a discussion herein where I  
>> suggested that the /emotional system/ was central to our  
>> “self-regulatory” hardware (genetic, epigenetic and immune  
>> regulation). In this view, binary feelings (pleasurable or painful,  
>> eustress or distress) serve as cybernetic feedback signals –  
>> informative software -  that originate in the non-equilibrium  
>> dynamics of complex adaptive systems (those that must constantly  
>> exchange energy and resources with their local environment in order  
>> to exist). I cited a four step cybernetic control loop instantiated  
>> by a coupling between bottom up positive (amplifying) feedback and  
>> top-down negative (homeostatic) feedback that works like this: 1)  
>> An ongoing /comparison/ is made between internal and external  
>> environments; 2) A /signal/ is sent when self-relevant mismatches  
>> occur; which 3) triggers a coupled /self-correcting response/,  
>> which is then 4) /fed back/ as a memory into the next cycle  
>> “comparison”. (AI uses a similar arrangement for deep neural  
>> learning networks, by comparing two probability distributions that  
>> compare internal requirements and external circumstances, modelling  
>> mismatches as free energy – “surprises” to the system - wherein  
>> learning occurs the via the goal of reducing free energy.)
>>
>> But as living systems, we have direct experience of a binary  
>> feedback signal as emotional sensory qualia – self-regulatory  
>> surprises that come in feel-good or feel-bad categories and are  
>> coupled to approach or avoidant self-correcting behavioral  
>> responses. I call these binary qualia the /fundamental semantic  
>> information bit, /for their binary categories drive each step in  
>> the loop and set the stage for all Pavlovian learning.
>>
>> This loop, and its subjective binary hedonic driver, is central to  
>> the operational, organizational and informational closure of  
>> complex self-organizing and autopoietic systems, and it is central  
>> to the ongoing construction of the enactive “mind”. It enables an  
>> identity structure that behaves as a dance of both parts and  
>> wholes, an autonomous yet collective agent, both determined yet  
>> with minor participation, in ways that mediate both being and  
>> becoming. And so much more…
>>
>> Sorry for the quick core dump, but I thought I’d pop in to applaud  
>> Peter’s inquiry and say hi to you all!
>>
>> Katherine Kauffman
>>
>> (Kung Fu Kate)
>>
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2024 02:39:45 +0000
>> From: Peter Erdi <Peter.Erdi at kzoo.edu>
>> To: Pedro C. Mariju?n <pedroc.marijuan at gmail.com>,
>> "fis at listas.unizar.es" <fis at listas.unizar.es>
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>> Thank you, Pedro, for your thoughtful post. I hope some people will  
>> react, and we will kick the ball towards some goal.  Alternatively,  
>> the discussion might evolve by random mutations.
>>
>> By the way, Gordana and Sheri: more thoughts about the relationship  
>> between cybernetics and complex systems theory with evolution?
>>
>> Peter
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