[Fis] Fwd: Re: it from bit. L.K. note of 19/01/2024 at 22:23

[joe.brenner at bluewin.ch]

Dear All,
As suggested in this note as well as others, there are serious problems with the notion of bit itself in relation to information. In my view, information is characterized by three properties that have not been adequately addressed: change: whatever the units of infortmation, they change, as well as change "being" information. Like LK's "chunks", they must display distinguishability, as in some paraconsistent theories (Itala D'Ottaviano) of adjacent members of the real number line. Further, information is characterized by its quality as well as by scalar quantities. I have not seen any algorithmic theory that captures quality, but would of course be glad to know of one.
If my concepts (of which the above is an outrageous summary) are applied, the result would be a naturalization, a bringing into science of what have been intractable and contradictorial properties of information. They will continue to be intractable unless a logic is applied that is not a truth-functional logic of propositions.
>From the point of view of the objective of this discussion, a change (sic) would be required for its further devvelopment, but perhaps some contributors may see a way to do this.
Thank you and best wishes,
Joseph
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De : loukau at gmail.com
Date : 19/01/2024 - 22:23 (E)
À : fis at listas.unizar.es
Objet : Re: [Fis] it from bit
Wheeler’s slogan (“it from bit”) stands for how we bring forth consistent descriptions into our world by making many guesses (scientific hypotheses) and 
correlating them with the help of imagination and reason until a coherent story emerges. The slogan is clever but has great utility, in that this is the way science is 
done. Of course the “bits” are big chunks and not just little 0’s and 1’s. However, in the game of twenty questions, each question is answered by Yes or No, and in this sense 
science can be structured in terms of bits. It reminds me of a conversation I had with a Dean of Science at an Unnamed University. I asked him how he did all that research with graduate students and acted as Dean for so many years. He said - well for me science is a business and for being Dean, I am very good at making binary decisions with no waste of time. 
> On Jan 19, 2024, at 1:09 PM, Marcus Abundis <55mrcs at gmail.com> wrote:
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> The problem with ‘it from bit’ is that it is a clever phrase with little actual utility, but sounds smart and thus continually draws in new individuals who have yet to think deeply about underlying issues.
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> Marcus
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